When one thinks of Linux distros and Java you would better consider Fedora - Maven 3 is there for the last 1.5 years.
Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark H. Wood" <mw...@iupui.edu> > To: dev@maven.apache.org > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 4:52:39 PM > Subject: Re: Release of Maven Indexer 5.0 > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 09:04:09PM -0700, Manfred Moser wrote: > > On Wed, September 12, 2012 6:06 pm, Chris Graham wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Anders Hammar > > > <and...@hammar.net> wrote: > > > > > >> I fully agree with you and I'm actually of the opinion that the > > >> Java > > >> community has a responsibility to provide enough reasons for > > >> those on > > >> older Java platforms to upgrade. But as long as we provide > > >> libraries > > >> > > > > > > Simple. > > > > > > Two reasons actually. > > > > > > Without going off on an essay about the psychology of developers > > > and being > > > obsessed with "shiny new things" (and a Dev centric view of the > > > world)... > > > > > > 1. Cost. > > > > > > 2. Especially in the corporate world, they are far more concerned > > > with > > > function rather than form (ie the underlying technology). In > > > short, if it > > > works, leave it. Which also relates to #1. > > > > > > Case in point: My current project is a multi million dollar one > > > that is > > > *finally* moving from 5-7 YO tech to the newest stack. Partly due > > > to the > > > support issues, but mostly due to the cost of support of the > > > older > > > versions; it's finally become cheaper to upgrade than to continue > > > paying > > > the huge support costs. > > > > > > But my basic point is, that the act of upgrading large systems is > > > not a > > > cheap one, so it is NOT done lightly. > > > > I think that the cost is only so high because companies keep > > waiting until > > it is too painful. If you constantly keep upgrading a bit here and > > there > > and stay up to date with your operating systems, runtime > > environments, > > browsers and client site frameworks and so on you would actually be > > able > > to save a LOT of money in the long run. But you would have to > > constantly > > invest rather than waiting with no investment until things fall > > apart and > > then being forced to large costly upgrades. > > I think this happens because the money you spend on upgrading and the > money you save because of it are in two different pots. If you look > at the way budgeting works, you might find that the current behavior > makes sense -- assuming that you accept that the way budgeting works, > makes sense. :-/ > > > So it is mostly short sighted management and an absence of real > > technology > > leadership in organizations causing this problem imho. And forcing > > the > > pain to stay on old stuff higher (like Oracle is doing with > > deprecating > > Java 6 earlier) is actually a good thing. > > > > imho Maven 2 should have long been deprecated and removed from the > > downloads pages.. > > Tell the distro.s. Gentoo still has Maven 3 keyworded on all arches, > and Gentoo is one of the bleeding-edge, daily-updating distro.s. > I'll > be using M3 for production work the day after they take the ~amd64 > keyword off it. > > -- > Mark H. Wood, Lead System Programmer mw...@iupui.edu > Asking whether markets are efficient is like asking whether people > are smart. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org
