The changes have only been in the simple logger implementation, not the api 
itself.

On Dec 10, 2012, at 4:06 AM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> wrote:

> To be honest. Slf4J is really mature. The fact that we need some 'special 
> treatment' for maven worries me.
> Are we are trying to do things with slf4j-simple it never was intended for? 
> Again: I think sjf4j is really mature, so I guess the error is on our side.
> And you also mentioned that Ceki did special changes in slf4j _itself_ and 
> not only the simple logger? That worries me even more, what changes have that 
> been?
> 
> 
> LieGrue,
> strub
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jason van Zyl <ja...@tesla.io>
>> To: Maven Developers List <dev@maven.apache.org>
>> Cc: 
>> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: Logging
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 10, 2012, at 2:11 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr> wrote:
>> 
>>> trying to be concise and neutral
>>> 
>>> 1. because slf4j-api is well known, it has lots of back-ends, that will 
>>> provide powerfull configuration techniques for filtering, display, 
>> recording and 
>>> so on Maven output: precise use case still need to be described
>>> 
>>> 2. the discussion is not much about the api but about the default back-end 
>>> that will be shipped with Maven: there is no consensus, then the actual 
>>> strategy is to start with slf4j-simple in Maven 3.1.0 then have a vote to 
>>> choose which more complete implementation will go in Maven 3.1.1+
>>> 
>> 
>> We're blocked on using SLF4J Simple currently. We can wait for my patches to 
>> be reviewed, but we should probably start the vote for the implementation if 
>> that is what we require because after making several patches already I think 
>> it's just time to pick an implementation. As I said in my previous email 
>> we're so close to Christmas we might as well decide this and then fire up 
>> the release process in the new year after the logging implementation 
>> selection 
>> is made. It's highly unlikely that in the next few weeks testing a new 
>> version of Maven is going to be anyone's priority so we might as well take 
>> our time at this point.
>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Hervé
>>> 
>>> Le dimanche 9 décembre 2012 22:18:51 Chris Graham a écrit :
>>>> I got lost (in other work) and this thread a long time ago.
>>>> 
>>>> Can someone please remind me just why we are changing the logging at 
>> all?
>>>> 
>>>> -Chris
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Kristian Rosenvold <
>>>> 
>>>> kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 2012/12/9 Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org>:
>>>>>> Perso I'm fine using log4j2.
>>>>>> I use the branch I pushed for some weeks now and I'm happy.
>>>>>> Log4j2 has quickly added a feature I needed and release it.
>>>>>> Furthermore I'm fine working with an Apache community in 
>> case of any
>>>>>> issue we could have.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not entirely sure I follow where this discussion is 
>> actually
>>>>> going,  but I'm firmly opposed
>>>>> to including a brand new logging framework as default in m3.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kristian
>>>>> 
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>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jason
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