To be honest. Slf4J is really mature. The fact that we need some 'special 
treatment' for maven worries me.
Are we are trying to do things with slf4j-simple it never was intended for? 
Again: I think sjf4j is really mature, so I guess the error is on our side.
And you also mentioned that Ceki did special changes in slf4j _itself_ and not 
only the simple logger? That worries me even more, what changes have that been?


LieGrue,
strub



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> From: Jason van Zyl <ja...@tesla.io>
> To: Maven Developers List <dev@maven.apache.org>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Logging
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2012, at 2:11 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr> wrote:
> 
>>  trying to be concise and neutral
>> 
>>  1. because slf4j-api is well known, it has lots of back-ends, that will 
>>  provide powerfull configuration techniques for filtering, display, 
> recording and 
>>  so on Maven output: precise use case still need to be described
>> 
>>  2. the discussion is not much about the api but about the default back-end 
>>  that will be shipped with Maven: there is no consensus, then the actual 
>>  strategy is to start with slf4j-simple in Maven 3.1.0 then have a vote to 
>>  choose which more complete implementation will go in Maven 3.1.1+
>> 
> 
> We're blocked on using SLF4J Simple currently. We can wait for my patches to 
> be reviewed, but we should probably start the vote for the implementation if 
> that is what we require because after making several patches already I think 
> it's just time to pick an implementation. As I said in my previous email 
> we're so close to Christmas we might as well decide this and then fire up 
> the release process in the new year after the logging implementation 
> selection 
> is made. It's highly unlikely that in the next few weeks testing a new 
> version of Maven is going to be anyone's priority so we might as well take 
> our time at this point.
> 
>>  Regards,
>> 
>>  Hervé
>> 
>>  Le dimanche 9 décembre 2012 22:18:51 Chris Graham a écrit :
>>>  I got lost (in other work) and this thread a long time ago.
>>> 
>>>  Can someone please remind me just why we are changing the logging at 
> all?
>>> 
>>>  -Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Kristian Rosenvold <
>>> 
>>>  kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>  2012/12/9 Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org>:
>>>>>  Perso I'm fine using log4j2.
>>>>>  I use the branch I pushed for some weeks now and I'm happy.
>>>>>  Log4j2 has quickly added a feature I needed and release it.
>>>>>  Furthermore I'm fine working with an Apache community in 
> case of any
>>>>>  issue we could have.
>>>> 
>>>>  I'm not entirely sure I follow where this discussion is 
> actually
>>>>  going,  but I'm firmly opposed
>>>>  to including a brand new logging framework as default in m3.
>>>> 
>>>>  Kristian
>>>> 
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