Well, there is a trend to for speaking about MXNet (Ukraine). At least I have visited a meetup (with a workshop).
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:42 PM, Sebastian <[email protected]> wrote: > I am puzzled by the reluctance of this project to setup a user mailinglist > to be honest. > > MXNet has major issues with attracting a community outside of Amazon > (whenever I hear folks talking about deep learning, they usually mention > tensorflow, pytorch and keras, but I rarely hear someone talk about MXNet). > At the same time, there is so much resistance to adopt practices that are > successfully used by many high-profile toplevel projects... > > -s > > > On 18.06.2018 20:37, Timur Shenkao wrote: > >> Facebook is definitely a bad idea: we will be dependent on third party >> provider + unclear who & how manages such group etc. >> Forum + Confluence + Slack is much better then. >> >> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:17 PM, Ivan Serdyuk < >> [email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Greetings Barber, Christopher. I had an idea to move out some discussions, >>> covering Java and Scala API, to Facebook. So if somewhere exists a local >>> JUG or Scala user group - they could reflect the topic of discussion. But >>> background stuff could take place on mailing lists, Slack, forum, >>> whatever. >>> The reverse mechanism could be used to involve new committers, as well >>> (so >>> they would appear as presented newcomers, as for contributions). >>> >>> Regards >>> Ivan >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Barber, Christopher < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I don't understand why you would want a users mailing list when you >>>> already have discussion forums. Users that want to be notified of new >>>> >>> posts >>> >>>> on the forum can configure their notification preferences appropriately. >>>> The traffic on the forums is already pretty low. I would think you would >>>> not want to dilute that further. >>>> >>>> Christopher >>>> >>>> On 6/18/18, 1:27 PM, "Jim Jagielski" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> users@ mailing lists have great societal advantages that one >>>> shouldn't ignore... >>>> >>>> And it's not like this is the only project with "multiple" >>>> communication choices for users. Most, if not all, projects have >>>> users@in >>>> addition to such supplemental methods as IRC channels, a forum, etc... >>>> >>> It's >>> >>>> about making it easy to have as many users as possible and as many >>>> potential ways for users to communicate. It's not confusing; it's >>>> empowering :) >>>> >>>> > On Jun 18, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Tianqi Chen < >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > The problem of having multiple separate channels of communication >>>> >>> is >>> >>>> that >>>> > users get confused, and the cost of maintenance goes up(people >>>> have >>>> to >>>> > watch both). As the current community was at discuss forum and >>>> many >>>> users >>>> > prefer it, having a mail-list is only a burden we will bring >>>> > >>>> > Tianqi >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Jim Jagielski <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> IMO, that is the wrong way to look at it. >>>> >> >>>> >> A users@ mailing list is a great, easy, low-cost and >>>> low-overhead >>>> way of >>>> >> *increasing* the user community and providing an extra level of >>>> support. >>>> >> Unless there is "strong evidence" that this is NOT the case, I >>>> >>> would >>> >>>> >> recommend we create the list. >>>> >> >>>> >>> On Jun 16, 2018, at 12:28 AM, Tianqi Chen < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> So unless there is a strong evidence that our community users >>>> prefers the >>>> >>> mail-list, I would recommend we keep the current way >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Tianqi >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Sergio Fernández < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Are we targeting just Seattle as our community? I really hope >>>> we >>>> are >>>> >>>> thinking a bit beyond that... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:22 Tianqi Chen < >>>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>>> >>>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I remember last time during the mxnet meetup in Seattle, we >>>> >>> did a >>> >>>> >> survey, >>>> >>>>> and most users preferred the current discuss forum. So I >>>> would >>>> say we >>>> >>>> stick >>>> >>>>> with that given the user community prefers that >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Tianqi >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Sergio Fernández < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Then, if everybody agree, let's request the mailing list >>>> creation to >>>> >>>>> INFRA >>>> >>>>>> ;-) >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Marco, I wouldn't do that. Typically developers are also >>>> subscribed >>>> >>>>> there, >>>> >>>>>> since they may be the most informed people for answering >>>> >>> users' >>> >>>> >>>>> questions. >>>> >>>>>> But the topics discussed there may not be of the interest >>>> for >>>> pure >>>> >>>>>> development purposes. Some discussions will jump from users@ >>>> to dev@, >>>> >>>>> but >>>> >>>>>> at a different level. So I wouldn't forward one mailing list >>>> >>> to >>> >>>> the >>>> >>>>> other. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:01 Marco de Abreu >>>> >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> I think nobody was opposed to it in the past, right? >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> I'd propose that all emails automatically get copied to >>>> dev@ >>>> to >>>> >>>> ensure >>>> >>>>>>> high >>>> >>>>>>> visibility initially. What do you think? >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Sebastian <[email protected]> schrieb am Fr., 15. Juni 2018, >>>> 20:51: >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> I have already proposed this many times in the past and >>>> >>> would >>> >>>> >>>>> strongly >>>> >>>>>>>> encourage it. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> -s >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> On 15.06.2018 21:56, Sergio Fernández wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> is there any good reason why the podling doesn't have a >>>> users@ >>>> >>>>>> mailing >>>> >>>>>>>> list >>>> >>>>>>>>> yet? >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Honestly speaking, I'm not a big fan of the other tools >>>> the >>>> >>>> podling >>>> >>>>>> is >>>> >>>>>>>>> using. Slack and Web forums a cool tools, and I used >>>> them a >>>> lot >>>> >>>> in >>>> >>>>>>> other >>>> >>>>>>>>> contexts. But when it comes to transparency and >>>> community, >>>> >>>> mailing >>>> >>>>>>> lists >>>> >>>>>>>>> play a crucial role in the Apache Way. >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Users are the most important asset a project can have. >>>> Even >>>> more >>>> >>>>> than >>>> >>>>>>>>> developers, believe me. So I think it's time to create a >>>> users@ >>>> >>>>>>> mailing >>>> >>>>>>>>> list for to helping MXNet grow its community beyong the >>>> >>> core >>> >>>> >>>> team. >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>
