I was actually the one stating that we didn't need a user mailing list during the Seattle meetup, given all the reasons already exposed above.
However given what proponents of a mailing list said, I personally wouldn't mind adding a new channel as a user mailing list, and monitoring it. There seems to be a subset of users, used to apache projects, that wouldn't use the forum but would use a mailing list. Though I think it is not as feature-rich as the forum and there is a risk of dilution of information. It is more about reaching those extra users. If we see a dilution of traffic on the forum towards the mailing list (~currently 100 posts/week) then maybe we can reconsider our assumptions? All the best, Thomas Delteil On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 17:30 Pedro Larroy <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree with Tianqi, Eric and others. We shouldn't dilute the community > with another forum. Disqus is already working and has healthy > participation, you can get an email digest if you so desire. Subscribing to > a mailing list to get a question answered is quite a heavyweight investment > for many people and users who might not have the resources nor mental > bandwidth to receive more email volume in their inboxes. > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:19 AM Tianqi Chen <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > The problem of having multiple separate channels of communication is that > > users get confused, and the cost of maintenance goes up(people have to > > watch both). As the current community was at discuss forum and many users > > prefer it, having a mail-list is only a burden we will bring > > > > Tianqi > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Jim Jagielski <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > IMO, that is the wrong way to look at it. > > > > > > A users@ mailing list is a great, easy, low-cost and low-overhead way > of > > > *increasing* the user community and providing an extra level of > support. > > > Unless there is "strong evidence" that this is NOT the case, I would > > > recommend we create the list. > > > > > > > On Jun 16, 2018, at 12:28 AM, Tianqi Chen <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > So unless there is a strong evidence that our community users prefers > > the > > > > mail-list, I would recommend we keep the current way > > > > > > > > Tianqi > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Sergio Fernández <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Are we targeting just Seattle as our community? I really hope we are > > > >> thinking a bit beyond that... > > > >> > > > >> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:22 Tianqi Chen <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> I remember last time during the mxnet meetup in Seattle, we did a > > > survey, > > > >>> and most users preferred the current discuss forum. So I would say > we > > > >> stick > > > >>> with that given the user community prefers that > > > >>> > > > >>> Tianqi > > > >>> > > > >>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Sergio Fernández < > [email protected] > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Then, if everybody agree, let's request the mailing list creation > to > > > >>> INFRA > > > >>>> ;-) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Marco, I wouldn't do that. Typically developers are also > subscribed > > > >>> there, > > > >>>> since they may be the most informed people for answering users' > > > >>> questions. > > > >>>> But the topics discussed there may not be of the interest for pure > > > >>>> development purposes. Some discussions will jump from users@ to > > dev@, > > > >>> but > > > >>>> at a different level. So I wouldn't forward one mailing list to > the > > > >>> other. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 21:01 Marco de Abreu > > > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> I think nobody was opposed to it in the past, right? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I'd propose that all emails automatically get copied to dev@ to > > > >> ensure > > > >>>>> high > > > >>>>> visibility initially. What do you think? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Sebastian <[email protected]> schrieb am Fr., 15. Juni 2018, 20:51: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> I have already proposed this many times in the past and would > > > >>> strongly > > > >>>>>> encourage it. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> -s > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On 15.06.2018 21:56, Sergio Fernández wrote: > > > >>>>>>> Hi, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> is there any good reason why the podling doesn't have a users@ > > > >>>> mailing > > > >>>>>> list > > > >>>>>>> yet? > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Honestly speaking, I'm not a big fan of the other tools the > > > >> podling > > > >>>> is > > > >>>>>>> using. Slack and Web forums a cool tools, and I used them a lot > > > >> in > > > >>>>> other > > > >>>>>>> contexts. But when it comes to transparency and community, > > > >> mailing > > > >>>>> lists > > > >>>>>>> play a crucial role in the Apache Way. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Users are the most important asset a project can have. Even > more > > > >>> than > > > >>>>>>> developers, believe me. So I think it's time to create a users@ > > > >>>>> mailing > > > >>>>>>> list for to helping MXNet grow its community beyong the core > > > >> team. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Cheers, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
