hi
On 2005-11-09, at 13:15 , Daniel Carrera wrote:
Just my 2 cents...
Charles-H.Schulz wrote:
No, it was a rather general statement. But the point I was making
regarding you was that people talked about some ideas in Koper
that were
highly different from the add-on foundation. And in this I thought
you
didn't even give it a concern. That was the sense of my message.
[snip]
I understand Louis, but let me re-state my statement; the add-on
foundation is unpopular and did not take into account *other
proposals*.
You gave your reasons for this, but still they were falling short
of the
point and did elude the question of a real OOo foundation so much
that
it seemed people were simply not listened at.
I agree with Charles here. The idea of a "foundation" for holding
add-ons was... surprising. It as very different from what I felt
was discussed in Koper. It seems closer to Laurent's Incubator than
to the OOo Foundation that was discussed in Koper.
It is. What has further happened is that there was another meeting
in Amsterdam where a version of this idea was raised as a possible
way to address some of the issues highlighted at Koper, eg,
governance. The addon foundation is not I hope meant to replace a
full-fledged foundation. Rather it is meant to be considered as a
seed of such, or perhaps just a convenience. Or an unpopular idea.
i have also, of course, been arguing for a full foundation. I've
just met with considerable resistance.
The proposal about a foundation is far from being a mere talk.
I agree with this. I'll also add a word of caution, that doing an
OOo Foundation the wrong way may be much worse than not doing it at
all, because once it's done, it will be a lot more difficult to
back track and fix it. An OOo Foundation is the sort of thing we
want to get right the first time.
That is so. And this is not an OOo Foundation, no more than Team
OpenOffice.org e.V. is one. That said, I do think it worthwhile for
the community, esp. the NLC, to be open about its options and what
may be going on. I dislike secrecy.
Yes, but the add-on foundation would have the primary result of
isolating the core development from the community process, and hence
give the perception that Sun *really does control everything*.
Only an
independent entity sustaining the entire process could work.
I agree with Charles.
That it would give the impression that Sun controls everything? I
don't know. I don't think so, as pretty much the status quo for
development won't change.
best
Louis
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