Hi All,

OK, starting a discussion thread, as we seem to have two quite
different threads ongoing about installers and Maven artefacts for
11.1, and I'd quite like to see the completion of the binaries aspect
of the release!

The release vote was on the sources.  Some binaries were linked from
that vote thread, and were checked by some, but are not strictly part
of that process.  And it's likely in future we'll have convenience
binaries made after a release vote for a variety of reasons.  We don't
need to have a vote on convenience binaries (from an ASF point of
view, as far as I'm aware).

Eric made the point that "Not voting means we can put
binaries/artefacts without control of PMC I find this path dangerous."
 I personally agree that some oversight across the PMC is a good idea,
although I don't think it requires a full-on vote.

We need to have a process that ensures we meet our PMC obligations at
http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#what-must-every-release-contain

"Note that the PMC is responsible for all artifacts in their
distribution directory, which is a subdirectory of
www.apache.org/dist/ ; and all artifacts placed in their directory
must be signed by a committer, preferably by a PMC member. It is also
necessary for the PMC to ensure that the source package is sufficient
to build any binary artifacts associated with the release."

In one respect, I think that anyone that is trusted to be on the PMC
should be trusted to act correctly on behalf of the PMC!  However, a
little extra oversight might not be a bad thing, which is why I'd
suggested beforehand to Reema to start a thread about the installers
to get 3 +1s from other PMC members to verify keys, checksums,
locations, functionality.  It's quicker and less formal than a vote,
but does involve at least 4 PMC members, which feels like oversight
enough personally.

So, thoughts?  Do we do this, or do we let any PMC member just get on
with binary releases, or do we require a full on vote?

There's also probably a separate question around clarifying
requirements on externally distributed convenience binaries and use of
the Apache NetBeans name too.

Thanks and best wishes,

Neil

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