On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 at 07:41, Geertjan Wielenga
<geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Could a consensus solution be that for all JDK 8 - compatibility
> related items, any/all work related to that, we assign those issues to
> Svata -- and we try this for one release and see how that goes? If it
> fails, then in the release after that, we should all then have
> consensus to move away from JDK 8.
>
> This does not solve the question of when we'll stop supporting a
> particular JDK release -- except that it sounds like "forever, as long
> as someone turns up to continue to support that release and in fact
> does so".

Unfortunately this assumes that the workload for continuing to support
JDK 8 (or any future legacy JDK) is something that is neatly
encapsulated and doesn't permeate everything.

We've had at least 4 different threads I can think of on this since
the beginning of this year alone.  This is the culmination of a lot of
discussion, but no further sign of resolution.  There are 3 -1's on
this thread.  There is no requirement for people to express support,
but there are 16 people supporting this here alone (7x PMC, 3x
committers, 6x community).  That does not include the PMC and
community members who have +1'd the basis of this proposal on other
threads already (I'm not aware of any other -1?).  As pointed out
above, ASF consensus is not unanimity, it is finding "widespread
agreement".  If this situation was reversed, would we take a proposal
with only 3 people supporting it against a large proportion of our
community as sign of widespread agreement to take a course of action?

I agree with Michael and Laszlo, the right (as in, at ASF) and only
feasible option is to vote and resolve this now, and I intend to
proceed with that as originally planned.  Because the alternative, the
thought of spending another 3 months engaged in yet more draining and
damaging discussion, knocking more chunks out of each other, just
makes me want to walk away today.

Best wishes,

Neil

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