On Oct 7, 2016 8:39 AM, "Emilian Bold" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There is another thing also: the sentiment of belonging. > > This is a really good point Bruno. > > My point is that it's much simpler for contributors to join Apache. We just > use another mailing list, use another repository URL for commits, etc. > > But, we have 1.5 million users. And the website, the forums, the mailing > lists, the wikis are for them too. And we have to do this transition really > well. >
All of this is IMHO... I agree with this. I think the points Bertrand and Bruno make are spot on, but we have to transition well for the users or IMO it won't be a success, and with that many it can be hard. I do think giving notices and transitioning people will work however. I think as has been stated by Gj, let's get the base lists up, and the Wiki, then we can get docs up, those help users, even finding lists, processes, etc. Then the static site. At the same time dev starts to happen on the Apache lists. The users continue where they are. Once the site and wiki are here, we can link to where downloads are etc, in the interim, and start to redirect things here (Apache). Then the code migration and development processes can be phased in as that really looks to be the most difficult part to me per the repository talks. All the while, we can redirect users to come here for lists, and add a header notice or something to all NetBeans.org mailing lists while those lists continue to work, and then for a period there will be a dual reality Apache and NetBeans.org mailing lists. One day those NB.org lists auto reply they are no longer where users should go, and their message will not be delivered. I think by the time that happens most will have moved over. After that, they certainly will, and is about as seemless as one can hope. Wade
