On 10/07/2016 09:51 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Personally, I'm not sure about bulk subscriptions. I'd prefer it, right > now, i.e., until further insights changes my perspective, everyone > explicitly would chose for joining an Apache NetBeans mailing list. Yes, > that will have an impact etc but the bulk option has disadvantages too. > > I agree also with the idea of migrating in pieces, i.e., developers first, > then wait for the dust to settle, then the next group, then wait for dust > settling, then next etc.
There's probably also privacy laws to consider here. We'd be letting a commercial entity hand over metadata to another organization. IANAL but that could have implications. With regards, Daniel. > > Gj > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Emilian Bold <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> ...I assume we will also automatically migrate users? Because if we >>> only ask a lot of people will not notice this and basically be silently >>> dropped (for example, people might lurk on [email protected] or >> just >>> [email protected]).... >> >> Bulk subscriptions are possible with the help of our infra team I suppose. >> >> You would need very clear communications on the existing lists >> however, so that people understand what's going on. >> >> Ideally auto-responders on the existing lists which point to an >> apache.org page that explains the transition. >> >>> >>> Then, once out of incubation, we will migrate again from @ >>> netbeans.incubator.apache.org to @netbeans.apache.org? >>> >> >> Yes but that's seamless, redirects are automatic. >> >>> And perhaps in a few years go back to the proper @netbeans.org mailing >>> lists? >> >> I don't see why. >> >>> >>> Now that I think about it, is there a particular reason we cannot have >> the >>> Apache infra serve the existing @netbeans.org mailing lists? >>> >> >> If NetBeans becomes an Apache project it lives at apache.org. The ASF >> is not just a hosting organization, it's a community of communities >> who lives out of sponsorshing money and as such branding is important. >> >>>> ...1a. Ask the above to use tags and very clear subject lines in their >> mails >>> to the unified mailing list. >>> >>> I very much doubt people will learn this. A lot of users@ have short >>> interactions, they will not learn the tagging rule, just pick a mailing >>> list and go with it.... >> >> If they pick the users list I suppose that won't be too bad. >> >>> >>> Also, could we try a staged approach for this migration? We sort the >> lists >>> by number or users / activity and start migrating the smallest ones first >>> and leave the largest last?... >> >> I suggest migrating developers first and users later, once the dust >> settles. >> >> -Bertrand >> >
