Hello all,
I'm working with NetBeans since several years, and I do like the 3D
logo. The flat design maybe modern, but it's not the NetBeans logo, and
I don't like it.
Just my opinion..
Kind Regards
Peter
Am 12.07.2017 um 13:13 schrieb Christian Lenz:
It was only to let you know that VS has the same logo for sure but in different
shapes. I’m fine with the cube, but not with the 3D it has to look like a real
cube thingy. We can use for example one of the cubes, from the Background from
Dmitry for example. Everyone said yeah the logo was/is known, sure the VS logo
too but it Looks different from time to time. Depents of what you said. So why
not give the cube a new look and feel? All of the logos where proposals and as
you can see there is still the cube, the black one. Not my style and maybe
Needs a bit of a fix but yeah. I see often logos which Looks similar to others
like the Company you said and WebPack and? What is the Problem, it depends on
what you do via Marketing and so on. Webpack gave a fuck to the Company too. It
is a complete other category.
The Problem with the old logo is that it doesn’t fit in the new style of the
page for example and this is my opinion in the new style of your splash Screen
too. So we can fully ignore the logo or we can rebrand the logo too but we
should avoid to redesign the page or the splash Screen that it should fit
because of the logo. Sure we can use e.g. NB with inside a cube or no cube,
only a rectangle with NB inside or whatever. If anyone of you have ideas and
are willing to Change smth, do it. I will create a ticket later and we can
catch any splash Screens and logos and can vote.
Regards
Chris
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Von: Siddhesh Rane
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Juli 2017 12:44
An: [email protected]
Betreff: RE: AW: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
Here is a link to the history of Visual Studio logos along with timeline.
http://logos.wikia.com/wiki/Microsoft_Visual_Studio
If you'll observe there are just 3 logos as such and these follow the design
language of whatever Windows version Microsoft had at the time. The first ones
are clearly matching Windows XP, the infinity one suits Vista/7 and the current
flat logo they have was introduced in 2012 to match windows 8. Microsoft
changed logos to be consistent with their product range, not for the sake of
change alone.
I saw the old logos of Intellij IDEA, PyCharm and RubyMine as well as
Jetbrains. And I saw their current logos. What their current logos have is
consistency of design language. So I can show you a logo of their least popular
products and you'll still be able to identify that as an offering from
Jetbrains. Here again their motive was consistency across their entire product
range.
I did a quick Google Image search for Intellij IDEA splash screens and it seems
Jetbrains is a bigger fan of vibrant images than us. Netbeans splash screens
have been flat in comparison.
Even with their current text in a black box logos they haven't ditched
vibrancy, with the gradient beams.
I guess their designers use 72" 4K LCD TVs as monitors.
Common to Microsoft and Jetbrains is that their logos are not too generic to
have accidental correlation to any other brand's logo. And we have identified
already 2 companies that have similar logos. We also don't have to abide by any
operating systems ui choices because we are platform independent.
If at all we have to put out a message then it has to be about the Apache
branding, as something good because Oracle's move raised a lot of questions
about the future of Netbeans.
People in this thread have rightly pointed out to consistency, design
philosophy and uniqueness to stand out. That's what they are asking for in the
redesign.
Regards
Siddhesh Rane
---- Christian Lenz wrote ----
Please have a Look to the history of visual Studio. Everyone already Knows it
after redesigned it from.time.to.time. the Logo and the ui. See the jetbrains
Logos, and still known. It is more a marketing Thing to present a redesign and
why. New organistation, why not having a new look/brand?
Von: Michael Müller
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Juli 2017 22:54
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: AW: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
BTW: I'm talking about the solid silver cube, not about the old red line
drawing which is a sibling of a Visual Studio drawing.
And I like that proposal for a new splashscreen with that old logo too.
Personally, I prefer the word "NetBeans" a little bolder.
Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards,
Michael Müller
Brühl, Germany
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On 07/11/2017 10:07 PM, Michael Müller wrote:
But there are lots of reasons not to change it.
The old logo is well known and associated with NetBeans. A little
facelifting, especially vectorize the logo would be fine.
The new hexagon, with something like a cube inside might be anything.
Siegwerk or Liferay, but NetBeans.
Who knows Beiersdorf? But everybody knows their Nivea. They will
loose, if they replace that logo by a new one. Keeping the old
fashioned logo now sells lot more than just a cream.
Usually developers and designers love to re-invent the wheel. But we
shall not forget about the real importance: Improving the great IDE
and platform over creating modern but characterless logos.
Just my two pence.
Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards,
Michael Müller
Brühl, Germany
blog.mueller-bruehl.de <http://blog.mueller-bruehl.de/>
it-rezension.de <http://it-rezension.de/>
@muellermi
Read my books
"Web Development with Java and JSF": https://leanpub.com/jsf
"Java Lambdas and Parallel Streams":
http://www.apress.com/de/book/9781484224861
"Visitors" a photographic image book: https://leanpub.com/visitors
On 07/11/2017 01:09 PM, Christian Lenz wrote:
This shouldn’t be a reason to not Change it 😉
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Von: Michael Müller
Gesendet: Montag, 10. Juli 2017 23:42
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Betreff: Re: Possible new splashscreen for NetBeans 9.0
one more sibling: liferay developer tools
The old cube is unique - and that is a greater worth than thousand
modern icons.
Herzliche Grüße - Best Regards,
Michael Müller
Brühl, Germany
blog.mueller-bruehl.de <http://blog.mueller-bruehl.de/>
it-rezension.de <http://it-rezension.de/>
@muellermi
Read my books
"Web Development with Java and JSF": https://leanpub.com/jsf
"Java Lambdas and Parallel Streams":
http://www.apress.com/de/book/9781484224861
"Visitors" a photographic image book: https://leanpub.com/visitors
On 07/09/2017 06:09 AM, Siddhesh Rane wrote:
---- Michael Müller wrote ----
Theses are commonly used for other products. I've seen something
similar
within Visual Studio and the logo of Siegwerk:
https://www.siegwerk.com/de/startseite.html
Thanks for pointing this out Michael.
The logo of siegwerk is very similar to the new netbeans logo at
http://netbeans.apache.org and the concept is also pretty widespread
in modern designs so you'll also come across many similar logos.
I think we should stick to the old logo for a while now. We can
improve upon it. We currently don't have a vector graphics version
of it, so someone can rework it in SVG or PSD.
Regards
Siddhesh Rane
