On 02/15/2018 12:48 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Because the world is an imperfect place and right now the focus is very > narrow right now on IP clearance. With the Beta being released today, we’ll > shift focus to byg fixing via the NetCAT program and then > different/other/more people will be involved.
I'll also note that generally speaking, actual FLOSS development is slower than proprietary development, because of the change in work-flows and quality assurance that goes on. There are many liberties you would have as a single company that you are not afforded at Apache. The upside is that _when_ you release, you have the proper provenance and governance backing you up fully. It's gonna take a while to get the development up to a proper speed, this happens to all projects transitioning to an open governance model. Once the initial hurdles have been overcome and the first release hammered out, it's going to get a lot easier to squeeze out new bytes. With regards, Daniel. > > Gj > > On Thursday, February 15, 2018, cowwoc <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I agree that this is a massive achievement but: >> >> * Why are the metrics showing little activity? >> * The fact that one group of people is focused on IP clearance >> shouldn't block others from working on other things, should it? Are >> their pull requests being held up or something? Maybe their pull >> requests need some love (follow-up discussion)? >> * What happened to the many people who excitedly asked to be listed as >> commiters? Why aren't they committing anything now? >> >> I'd especially love to hear from the latter group, to be understand what >> has changed over the past couple of months. >> >> Thank you, >> Gili >> >> On 2018-02-15 6:20 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >> >>> We’re mainly working on IP clearance right now, with the Beta IPMC vote >>> going very well on the general@incubator mailing list, it looks like >>> we’ll >>> be able to release the Beta today, which is a massive achievement. >>> >>> Gj >>> >>> On Thursday, February 15, 2018, cowwoc <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I don't mean to offend anyone (not trying to point any fingers, really) >>>> but I want to raise an issue for discussion. >>>> >>>> When Netbeans was moved to Apache I saw a lot of activity in the mailing >>>> list. Everyone was excited and that was great but now I am seeing an >>>> extremely low rate of participation by non-Oracle employees (see >>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/graphs/contributors) and >>>> the >>>> overall commit frequency over the past couple of weeks is extremely low >>>> (see https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/graphs/commit-activity >>>> ). >>>> >>>> I am bringing this to your attention because looking at JIRA's "Created >>>> vs >>>> Resolved" issues for the past 30 days we are seeing an exponential growth >>>> of bug reports but a flat amount of resolved issues: >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa? >>>> projectOrFilterId=project-12320634&periodName=daily& >>>> daysprevious=30&cumulative=true&versionLabels=major& >>>> selectedProjectId=12320634&reportKey=com.atlassian.jira. >>>> jira-core-reports-plugin%3Acreatedvsresolved-report&atl_ >>>> token=A5KQ-2QAV-T4JA-FDED%7C113ee1575eff5807f4be21c1f06ce3f9 >>>> 6e46f8b2%7Clout&Next=Next >>>> >>>> Speaking from my personal experience as an end-user, I think we've got a >>>> long way to go in terms of fixing regressions before I would consider >>>> jumping from version 8.2 to 9.0. I am routinely running into annoying UI >>>> bugs that were not present in 8.2. Yes, we now have JDK 9 support and >>>> this >>>> is a big deal but this yet relevant in my day-to-day work (my projects >>>> use >>>> Java 8). My primary concern is using the IDE that will make me the most >>>> productive as a developer. The nightly builds are a step backwards in >>>> that >>>> regard. >>>> >>>> Anyway, I just wanted to bring up this issue for discussion. I remember a >>>> lot of people initially asked to be listed as committers, and I'm >>>> wondering >>>> where they all went, what (if anything) has turned them off from >>>> contributing at this time, and what can be done to bring them back. >>>> >>>> Reminder: As mentioned in the past, I not have the time to commit fixes >>>> myself. I am intentionally limiting myself to filing bug reports and >>>> giving >>>> you feedback as an end-user. I hope you will respect that scope. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Gili >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>>> >>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
