Hi, for me personally, I will be patient and I feel saver on my time invested in mastering NetBeans, with NetBeans being at Apache.
I can only guess how much additional administrative and infrastructure related additional work. Then also the Java 9 support added. Thank you all contributing at this difficult time! And I am sure that a currently seen lack of activity is maybe error by statistics (as a lot of the necessary work not tracked in that statistic) and neither a sign of NetBeans dying. I cannot tell about the internals but from my external view this is here a situation very different from OpenOffce/LibreOffice for example. Although I was an Eclipse user with my first attempts when learning Java, I ended up with NetBeans because of the superior stability so please keep the quality - no matter if a few more weeks pass for a new release. Best regards, Martin. On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 12:53 PM, Daniel Gruno <[email protected]> wrote: > On 02/15/2018 12:48 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >> Because the world is an imperfect place and right now the focus is very >> narrow right now on IP clearance. With the Beta being released today, we’ll >> shift focus to byg fixing via the NetCAT program and then >> different/other/more people will be involved. > > I'll also note that generally speaking, actual FLOSS development is > slower than proprietary development, because of the change in work-flows > and quality assurance that goes on. There are many liberties you would > have as a single company that you are not afforded at Apache. The upside > is that _when_ you release, you have the proper provenance and > governance backing you up fully. > > It's gonna take a while to get the development up to a proper speed, > this happens to all projects transitioning to an open governance model. > > Once the initial hurdles have been overcome and the first release > hammered out, it's going to get a lot easier to squeeze out new bytes. > > With regards, > Daniel. > >> >> Gj >> >> On Thursday, February 15, 2018, cowwoc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I agree that this is a massive achievement but: >>> >>> * Why are the metrics showing little activity? >>> * The fact that one group of people is focused on IP clearance >>> shouldn't block others from working on other things, should it? Are >>> their pull requests being held up or something? Maybe their pull >>> requests need some love (follow-up discussion)? >>> * What happened to the many people who excitedly asked to be listed as >>> commiters? Why aren't they committing anything now? >>> >>> I'd especially love to hear from the latter group, to be understand what >>> has changed over the past couple of months. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Gili >>> >>> On 2018-02-15 6:20 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >>> >>>> We’re mainly working on IP clearance right now, with the Beta IPMC vote >>>> going very well on the general@incubator mailing list, it looks like >>>> we’ll >>>> be able to release the Beta today, which is a massive achievement. >>>> >>>> Gj >>>> >>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2018, cowwoc <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I don't mean to offend anyone (not trying to point any fingers, really) >>>>> but I want to raise an issue for discussion. >>>>> >>>>> When Netbeans was moved to Apache I saw a lot of activity in the mailing >>>>> list. Everyone was excited and that was great but now I am seeing an >>>>> extremely low rate of participation by non-Oracle employees (see >>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/graphs/contributors) and >>>>> the >>>>> overall commit frequency over the past couple of weeks is extremely low >>>>> (see https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/graphs/commit-activity >>>>> ). >>>>> >>>>> I am bringing this to your attention because looking at JIRA's "Created >>>>> vs >>>>> Resolved" issues for the past 30 days we are seeing an exponential growth >>>>> of bug reports but a flat amount of resolved issues: >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ConfigureReport.jspa? >>>>> projectOrFilterId=project-12320634&periodName=daily& >>>>> daysprevious=30&cumulative=true&versionLabels=major& >>>>> selectedProjectId=12320634&reportKey=com.atlassian.jira. >>>>> jira-core-reports-plugin%3Acreatedvsresolved-report&atl_ >>>>> token=A5KQ-2QAV-T4JA-FDED%7C113ee1575eff5807f4be21c1f06ce3f9 >>>>> 6e46f8b2%7Clout&Next=Next >>>>> >>>>> Speaking from my personal experience as an end-user, I think we've got a >>>>> long way to go in terms of fixing regressions before I would consider >>>>> jumping from version 8.2 to 9.0. I am routinely running into annoying UI >>>>> bugs that were not present in 8.2. Yes, we now have JDK 9 support and >>>>> this >>>>> is a big deal but this yet relevant in my day-to-day work (my projects >>>>> use >>>>> Java 8). My primary concern is using the IDE that will make me the most >>>>> productive as a developer. The nightly builds are a step backwards in >>>>> that >>>>> regard. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, I just wanted to bring up this issue for discussion. I remember a >>>>> lot of people initially asked to be listed as committers, and I'm >>>>> wondering >>>>> where they all went, what (if anything) has turned them off from >>>>> contributing at this time, and what can be done to bring them back. >>>>> >>>>> Reminder: As mentioned in the past, I not have the time to commit fixes >>>>> myself. I am intentionally limiting myself to filing bug reports and >>>>> giving >>>>> you feedback as an end-user. I hope you will respect that scope. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> Gili >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
