I hope you are right. At the same time I want to caution the group to
not let enthusiasm and evangelism get in the way of success. If activity
does not pick up then I agree with Bertrand that it would better to
deliver a solid core than it is to spread ourselves too thin.
The reality is that it's much harder to create a pull request for this
project than others, not to mention getting it merged. Part of it has to
do with the high learning curve, the project size, and technologies used
(there aren't many Java Swing developers out there nowadays). The other
part is the bureaucratic background of large projects coming from large
corporations. New contributors will need more loving to get the ball
rolling. Providing feedback to pull requests is nice. Helping them
finish off a pull request is even nicer.
Anyway, I hope things work out ;)
Gili
On 2018-02-16 4:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
Knowing how many people worked on NetBeans in Oracle (not very many and
never continuously), I can state explicitly that there are more people
working on NetBeans right now in Apache than there were in Oracle.
It’s never really about the number of people involved but about their depth
of knowledge and level of enthusiasm. Fortunately, we’ve been educating our
community from the very beginning about NetBeans internals — there’s an
excellent book about it on leanpub.com, there’s a large investment in
NetBeans API usage in mission critical projects around the world, etc etc
etc.
So, yes, once the boring IP clearance bits are behind us, I don’t see why
we as Apache NetBeans won’t be far more productive and relevant than we
have ever been.
Gj
On Friday, February 16, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Peter Steele <[email protected]>
wrote:
...if you want to make netbeans a success you
need to have the same product as version 8.2 as a baseline to start
with...
This is Open Source, with no bosses and no budget other than whatever
people voluntarily contribute to this project.
And donations to the ASF to keep infrastructure and common services
running, but that doesn't pay for software development.
From a product management perspective I would agree with you, and
hopefully Antonio is right about contributions going up again once the
current (mostly boring) phase is over.
But if that doesn't happen, reducing scope is IMO better than letting
larger things rot.
Just my 2 cents anyway (as a somewhat experienced Apache guy), there's
no urgency to change anything at the moment.
-Bertrand
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