It’s not a question about working out and it’s also not a question about hoping or things needing to pick up or whatever. As has been pointed out several times now, this is a massive process and is simply going to take time. It's pretty amazing where we are already at this point and the number of people, PRs, and so on, is larger and more than could be expected at this stage.
Gj On Friday, February 16, 2018, cowwoc <[email protected]> wrote: > I hope you are right. At the same time I want to caution the group to not > let enthusiasm and evangelism get in the way of success. If activity does > not pick up then I agree with Bertrand that it would better to deliver a > solid core than it is to spread ourselves too thin. > > The reality is that it's much harder to create a pull request for this > project than others, not to mention getting it merged. Part of it has to do > with the high learning curve, the project size, and technologies used > (there aren't many Java Swing developers out there nowadays). The other > part is the bureaucratic background of large projects coming from large > corporations. New contributors will need more loving to get the ball > rolling. Providing feedback to pull requests is nice. Helping them finish > off a pull request is even nicer. > > Anyway, I hope things work out ;) > > Gili > > On 2018-02-16 4:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > >> Knowing how many people worked on NetBeans in Oracle (not very many and >> never continuously), I can state explicitly that there are more people >> working on NetBeans right now in Apache than there were in Oracle. >> >> It’s never really about the number of people involved but about their >> depth >> of knowledge and level of enthusiasm. Fortunately, we’ve been educating >> our >> community from the very beginning about NetBeans internals — there’s an >> excellent book about it on leanpub.com, there’s a large investment in >> NetBeans API usage in mission critical projects around the world, etc etc >> etc. >> >> So, yes, once the boring IP clearance bits are behind us, I don’t see why >> we as Apache NetBeans won’t be far more productive and relevant than we >> have ever been. >> >> Gj >> >> On Friday, February 16, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz <[email protected] >> > >> wrote: >> >> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Peter Steele <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> ...if you want to make netbeans a success you >>>> need to have the same product as version 8.2 as a baseline to start >>>> >>> with... >>> >>> This is Open Source, with no bosses and no budget other than whatever >>> people voluntarily contribute to this project. >>> >>> And donations to the ASF to keep infrastructure and common services >>> running, but that doesn't pay for software development. >>> >>> From a product management perspective I would agree with you, and >>> hopefully Antonio is right about contributions going up again once the >>> current (mostly boring) phase is over. >>> >>> But if that doesn't happen, reducing scope is IMO better than letting >>> larger things rot. >>> >>> Just my 2 cents anyway (as a somewhat experienced Apache guy), there's >>> no urgency to change anything at the moment. >>> >>> -Bertrand >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>> >>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
