Hi all,

Some comments inlined below:

On 13/03/18 09:26, Jaroslav Tulach wrote:
Thanks a lot for your opinions! I am going to react to one recurring theme
in this email...

2018-03-12 16:59 GMT+01:00 Jaroslav Tulach <jaroslav.tul...@gmail.com>:

Forget about AWT, Swing and JavaFX - the future is HTML. In case you still
care about Java, then your future should be Apache HTML/Java API!

I'd love to see an example of this Apache HTML/Java API while forgetting about AWT, Swing and JavaFX ...

OK, I can see people are looking (or at least googling) for alternatives to
current UIs. Yes, I agree HTML is one of (the best) options there -
especially if you want real WORA - e.g. also target plain browser. However

... and I agree that HTML is one of the best option here for WORA...

...and trying Electron samples! C'mon do you have recent version of
NetBeans 9.0? Then just select "New Project", "JavaFX", "Java HTML5
Application" click through the wizard and choose Run/Debug on the generated
project! How much did it take? 30s of activity[1]?

... but I cannot see any "New Project/JavaFX/Java HTML5 Application" in my Apache NetBeans IDE.

In fact all "New Project/JavaFX" and "New Project/Examples/JavaFX" wizards fail on my IDE because _I don't have JavaFX installed_.

In fact JavaFX and WORA are incompatible: JavaFX has not been ported to BSDs (but Swing is). Also JavaFX is GPLed.

But, wait, you said about forgetting about AWT, Swing _and_ JavaFX, right? How is so that JavaFX has entered the equation again? This is confusing!

I consider it patriotic to try NetBeans own solution first. Am I completely

No, you aren't. In fact you're completely right. We should try our own first.

So, to summarize: I'd love to experiment with a HTML UI, without _any_ JavaFX dependencies (a plain browser is a good dependency, though, as that is WORA), and with the following requirements:

- It allows me to type (very) quickly.
- It is able to launch heavy tasks on a background processes/threads (i.e., does not block the UI).
- It keeps the UI in sync with my local filesystem.
- It has CSS animation support.
- It provides 2D and 2.5D transforms and other graphic stuff (SVG, for instance).
- Takes profit of graphic acceleration in my graphics card.

Can we do an experiment with these requirements?

Kind regards,

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