I can see the advantage of combining the two but I don't see any
disadvantages in having a separate dedicated testing community. Their
go/nogo should simply be done before we start the PPMC vote, where they're
able to vote too if they like.

Gj

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Kai Uwe Pel <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sorry mistyped  ...   I fully agree with Luca's suggestions to have a
> separate list for NetCat.
>
> K.
>
> On 6/25/2018 2:48 PM, Kai Uwe Pel wrote:
>
>> Honestly,
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Kai
>>
>> On 6/25/2018 1:46 PM, Luca Mambretti wrote:
>>
>>> My personal opinion is that I would prefer NetCat to stay a separate
>>> list, mainly because of focus, it's true that using proper subjects helps
>>> but to me community acceptance, and development are separate things, and I
>>> do think feedback from the user community should be treated differently
>>> than feedback from the developer community.
>>>
>>> That said something from NetCat might be of interest to dev, but most
>>> probably not the other way around (at least that is my feeling on this), so
>>> maybe a good compromise would be to setup some sort of redirect so that
>>> NetCat emails would also be seen by developement and if something is deemed
>>> interesting by developement then by replying to the mail both lists would
>>> be involved.
>>>
>>> For voting purposes if NetCat has to be included in the voting process
>>> then the voting email might be sent also to the NetCat list, but that could
>>> also be handled using a proper acceptance survey like the ones that were
>>> previously used in the Oracle era, but that maybe is not really in line
>>> with Apache policies.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Luca.
>>>
>>> ----- Messaggio originale -----
>>> Da: "Neil C Smith" <[email protected]>
>>> A: [email protected], "netcat" <
>>> [email protected]>
>>> Inviato: Lunedì, 25 giugno 2018 10:35:59
>>> Oggetto: Re: [DISCUSS] Merging back netcat@ into the dev@ mailing list
>>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 at 23:07, Wade Chandler <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That said, it would be good to see the netcat members view on it. One
>>>> can
>>>> certainly contribute there without all the dev@ noise if they like it,
>>>> so
>>>> from their view, it may not be so simple. I really think that should
>>>> have
>>>> some weight.
>>>>
>>> Re-adding netcat@ (ironically! ;-) )
>>>
>>> I agree with you that the opinion of the netcat@ list is important.
>>> If part of the point of NetCAT is to engage active / experienced users
>>> in testing, then does bringing that conversation into dev@ discourage
>>> that or not?
>>>
>>> It makes sense that everyone on dev@ is subscribed to netcat@, but
>>> does the reverse also apply?  Be interested in the input of anyone on
>>> netcat@ who is not on the dev@ list, and the reasons behind that,
>>> before any vote on this.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Neil
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