> Their
> go/nogo should simply be done before we start the PPMC vote, where they're
> able to vote too if they like.

This is a separate topic. I dispute the idea that NetCAT should have a go/nogo 
about what the PPMC should vote on.

--emi

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On 25 June 2018 4:48 PM, Geertjan Wielenga 
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I can see the advantage of combining the two but I don't see any
> 
> disadvantages in having a separate dedicated testing community. Their
> 
> go/nogo should simply be done before we start the PPMC vote, where they're
> 
> able to vote too if they like.
> 
> Gj
> 
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Kai Uwe Pel [email protected] wrote:
> 
> > Sorry mistyped ... I fully agree with Luca's suggestions to have a
> > 
> > separate list for NetCat.
> > 
> > K.
> > 
> > On 6/25/2018 2:48 PM, Kai Uwe Pel wrote:
> > 
> > > Honestly,
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > 
> > > Kai
> > > 
> > > On 6/25/2018 1:46 PM, Luca Mambretti wrote:
> > > 
> > > > My personal opinion is that I would prefer NetCat to stay a separate
> > > > 
> > > > list, mainly because of focus, it's true that using proper subjects 
> > > > helps
> > > > 
> > > > but to me community acceptance, and development are separate things, 
> > > > and I
> > > > 
> > > > do think feedback from the user community should be treated differently
> > > > 
> > > > than feedback from the developer community.
> > > > 
> > > > That said something from NetCat might be of interest to dev, but most
> > > > 
> > > > probably not the other way around (at least that is my feeling on 
> > > > this), so
> > > > 
> > > > maybe a good compromise would be to setup some sort of redirect so that
> > > > 
> > > > NetCat emails would also be seen by developement and if something is 
> > > > deemed
> > > > 
> > > > interesting by developement then by replying to the mail both lists 
> > > > would
> > > > 
> > > > be involved.
> > > > 
> > > > For voting purposes if NetCat has to be included in the voting process
> > > > 
> > > > then the voting email might be sent also to the NetCat list, but that 
> > > > could
> > > > 
> > > > also be handled using a proper acceptance survey like the ones that were
> > > > 
> > > > previously used in the Oracle era, but that maybe is not really in line
> > > > 
> > > > with Apache policies.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Luca.
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Messaggio originale -----
> > > > 
> > > > Da: "Neil C Smith" [email protected]
> > > > 
> > > > A: [email protected], "netcat" <
> > > > 
> > > > [email protected]>
> > > > 
> > > > Inviato: Lunedì, 25 giugno 2018 10:35:59
> > > > 
> > > > Oggetto: Re: [DISCUSS] Merging back netcat@ into the dev@ mailing list
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 at 23:07, Wade Chandler [email protected]
> > > > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > That said, it would be good to see the netcat members view on it. One
> > > > > 
> > > > > can
> > > > > 
> > > > > certainly contribute there without all the dev@ noise if they like it,
> > > > > 
> > > > > so
> > > > > 
> > > > > from their view, it may not be so simple. I really think that should
> > > > > 
> > > > > have
> > > > > 
> > > > > some weight.
> > > > 
> > > > Re-adding netcat@ (ironically! ;-) )
> > > > 
> > > > I agree with you that the opinion of the netcat@ list is important.
> > > > 
> > > > If part of the point of NetCAT is to engage active / experienced users
> > > > 
> > > > in testing, then does bringing that conversation into dev@ discourage
> > > > 
> > > > that or not?
> > > > 
> > > > It makes sense that everyone on dev@ is subscribed to netcat@, but
> > > > 
> > > > does the reverse also apply? Be interested in the input of anyone on
> > > > 
> > > > netcat@ who is not on the dev@ list, and the reasons behind that,
> > > > 
> > > > before any vote on this.
> > > > 
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > > 
> > > > Neil
> > > > 
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