Understood, reinterpreting things that are already documented etc will lead to confusion. But a basic FAQ with questions/answers like “I am a JDK vendor and would like to bundle Apache NetBeans, what should I bear in mind?” would be helpful. I’ll work on it unless someone else volunteers.
Gj On Tuesday, January 15, 2019, Emilian Bold <[email protected]> wrote: > I think it is dangerous from a legal standpoint for the (P)PMC to give > further interpretation on what Apache wants. The Apache page is quite > clear. > > We don't even need a page, but at most our own page should only be a > single link to that page. We don't want to give conflicting > information and then allow downstream users claim they were just > following the NetBeans (P)PMC recommendation. We also have to keep in > sync our page if / when the Apache page changes. > > PS: Also note that the Payara redistributed Apache NetBeans 10 bundle > has a CDDL and GPL w/ CPE dual license (there's a NETBEANS_LICENSE > file with the Apache License 2.0 content). Not sure what to make of > this, which part is covered by what, etc. > > --emi > > http://coolbeans.xyz/ - CoolBeans: An IDE for Java, JavaEE, PHP and more! > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 2:04 PM Geertjan Wielenga > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Yes. And didn’t know about this. Would be great if you’d take the lead > and > > put some basic content together on the Wiki as a starting point around > > this, with the ultimate aim of having that on netbeans.apache.org. Or > else > > I will do so during this week — i.e., a summary of the discussions re > > branding, bundling, references to apache.org and our own specificities. > > > > Gj > > > > On Tuesday, January 15, 2019, Emilian Bold <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > And to give an example of NetBeans bundling: > > > https://github.com/payara/ecosystem-netbeans-plugin/releases > > > > > > The Payara NetBeans IDE Plugins releases are plain plugins but also > > > bundles of Paraya and NetBeans called > > > 'PayaraPlugins.1.6.with.Apache.NetBeans.IDE' (there are bundles for > > > Apache NetBeans 9 and Apache NetBeans 10). > > > > > > This seems to be against the provisions at > > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#products > > > > > > The resulting bundle is called 'Apache NetBeans 10', there is nothing > > > to let users know this is a separate product. > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > http://coolbeans.xyz/ - CoolBeans: An IDE for Java, JavaEE, PHP and > more! > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 5:40 PM Antonio <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > For the records, the License FAQ explicitly clarifies the "Powered > by" > > > > et al vs. TradeMarks: > > > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/license-faq.html#Name-changes > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Antonio > > > > > > > > > > > > El 03/01/2019 a las 16:32, Antonio escribió: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > "Powered by Spark" may be a good example for us: > > > > > > > > > > https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html > > > > > > > > > > Quoting: > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > Names like “Spark BigCoProduct” are not OK, as are names including > > > > > “Spark” in general. The above links, however, describe some > exceptions, > > > > > like for names such as “BigCoProduct, powered by Apache Spark” or > > > > > “BigCoProduct for Apache Spark”. > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > > > Feliz Año, > > > > > Antonio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El 03/01/2019 a las 14:09, Emilian Bold escribió: > > > > >> Apache has a 'Powered by' program which seems a good fit for the > > > NetBeans > > > > >> Platform. > > > > >> > > > > >> --emi > > > > >> > > > > >> On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 14:52, Antonio <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> Hi all, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> We should get Apache NetBeans added to the list of ASF > Trademarks at > > > > >>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/list/ (NetBeans is > already a > > > > >>> tracermark of Apache, isn't it?). We should also mention that > Apache > > > > >>> NetBeans is a trademark of the ASF at the footer of all web > pages in > > > our > > > > >>> site. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> As we all there's a great ecosystem of apps built on top of the > > > NetBeans > > > > >>> Platform, and I think it could be good to acknowledge and promote > > > this. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I don't think something like "Built on Top of the Apache NetBeans > > > > >>> Platform" is contrary to the ASF tracemark policies. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Cheers, > > > > >>> Antonio > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> El 03/01/2019 a las 12:04, Bertrand Delacretaz escribió: > > > > >>>> Hi, > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 11:22 AM Emilian Bold < > > > [email protected]> > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Is it really wise to create a separate FAQ from the Apache > > > trademarks > > > > >>>>> pages?... > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> If you keep it minimal I think it's good - you probably just > need > > > 2-3 > > > > >>>> good examples of naming for the types of things that people are > > > doing > > > > >>>> with NetBeans. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> And of course point to the ASF trademarks pages and avoid > > > duplicating > > > > >>>> their information. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> But that's a decision for this PPMC to make - whoever does the > work > > > > >>>> gets to decide, and that's not me ;-) > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> -Bertrand > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > --------- > > > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > [email protected] > > > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > [email protected] > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ > Mailing+lists > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > --------- > > > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > [email protected] > > > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > [email protected] > > > > >>> > > > > >>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/ > Mailing+lists > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> -- > > > > >> --emi > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [email protected] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [email protected] > > > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [email protected] > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
