FWIW, there's a discussion on legal-discuss that is, I think, related to
this thread:
https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201901.mbox/%3CCAK1xzDeKTOEpKED3PzTLuKkbtRi5ubv5AijcB%3DDvzo8PO0jU4w%40mail.gmail.com%3E

And there's a link in that thread that may be somewhat relevant as well:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-427?focusedCommentId=16722198&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-16722198

Jan


On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 4:54 PM Emilian Bold <[email protected]> wrote:

> Note that the Apache link is about trademarks. It makes no difference if
> it's a convenience binary if the trademark is being (mis)used. It could
> just be the name or logo.
>
> --emi
>
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 16:32, Bertrand Delacretaz <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 1:44 PM Jan Lahoda <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > ...Frankly, I wonder if there's a chance to allow some "good" uses,
> like
> > "X
> > > with Apache NetBeans N" or a "Bundle of X and Apache NetBeans N",
> > provided
> > > some basic conditions are met,...
> >
> > Of course that's possible, as Geertjan says the NetBeans (P)PMC just
> needs
> > to clarify how things have to be named, to avoid confusion and especially
> > as you say make it crystal clear what comes from Apache NetBeans and what
> > does not.
> >
> > > ...this would
> > > be distributing an official release of NetBeans, just packed together
> > with
> > > something else....
> >
> > If it's binaries then no, it is not distributing an official release
> > because releases consist only of source code.
> >
> > It's redistributing a convenience binary...I think we need to clarify at
> > the Apache level this difference, I recently proposed a two-level view on
> > releases and convenience binaries [1] which has not made its way to our
> > official docs yet but should help understand.
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/01a64394c3996406d98904256ebdd46667bf73947983722e7ab57f50@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> >
> --
> --emi
>

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