On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 17:00, Tammo van Lessen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi, > > okay, first I agree that integrating and sharing code of multiple sub > projects into one repository with one build system makes sense and makes > integration, testing etc. easier. Although I think they should be > packaged separately (e.g. as mvn bundles and dists) as WSHT > implementations are probably also interesting for people not necessarily > interested in ODE. I think the Solr/Lucene guys did some similar merge. > > If those subprojects are consumable independantly, they may be better as two peer TLPs at the end. Because you will end up in two different communities: some new committers will be involved in one project but not the other. Anyway, it mostly depend on the size of the subprojects and the size of their respective communities. You'd better start either in the incubator or in ode, and see what the status is in one year. > Regarding umbrellas: No matter if it's called bpm.apache.org or > ode.apache.org, it will probably become an umbrella. I understand that > the ASF likes top-level-projects, but I personally find it very > difficult currently to find projects that are related, belong together > or are intended to be used together, simply because their names not > really suggest that they belong to a certain domain. That's why I > actually really like ws.apache.org or db.apache.org because I always > know what I can expect to find there. > > FWIW, Apache Web Services is being kinda dismantled as Axis is being spin off as a TLP. And the names you refer to (ws and db) would actually never be accepted as new TLP afaik. Because the ASF does not have any technical vision / roadmap / strategy, you can have multiple TLP on the same domain (consider CXF / Axis, but there are other examples too). So having a bpm.apache.org would not be possible I think. The fact that it's difficult to find projects for a given technology is irrelevant to the fact that they are grouped into a single TLP or not I think. For that, the projects.apache.org site should be improved imo. > Tammo > > On 07.06.2010 15:47, Rafal Rusin wrote: > > I think growing ODE is the way to go, because in the end, things will be > > integrated, which means a lot. > > > > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Guillaume Nodet <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Last time I looked, umbrella projects were still frowned upon at the ASF > >> ... > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 15:32, Tammo van Lessen <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi guys, > >>> > >>> I'd like to raise a discussion about the ecosystem at Apache around ODE > >>> in particular and BPM in general. > >>> > >>> While ODE is getting mature and provides a stable BPEL execution, the > >>> BPM market is moving on, bringing up new languages (BPMN 2.0), new > human > >>> task definitions (WSHT), new integrations (BPEL4People), new projects > >>> (Apache Hise), new adopters (JBoss Riftsaw), etc. > >>> > >>> I think it is time to discuss not only an adjusted road map for ODE > >>> (adding support for BPMN 2.0 and BPEL4People/WSHT) but also the BPM > >>> ecosystem at Apache. > >>> > >>> Apache Hise is currently under incubation and ODE is the sponsoring > PMC. > >>> There may also be other BPM related projects that may want to find > their > >>> home at Apache, but not necessarily under the umbrella of ODE, which > >>> would directly connect them with BPEL and/or process execution. > >>> > >>> I think we should think about founding a BPM umbrella PMC at Apache the > >>> can serve as the home of Ode, Hise, and whatever BPMish project that > >>> will come up in future. Honestly, this is yet just an uncooked idea, > but > >>> I'd like to get your opinions on that. WDYT? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Tammo > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Tammo van Lessen - http://www.taval.de > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Cheers, > >> Guillaume Nodet > >> ------------------------ > >> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/ > >> ------------------------ > >> Open Source SOA > >> http://fusesource.com > >> > > > > > > > > -- > Tammo van Lessen - http://www.taval.de > -- Cheers, Guillaume Nodet ------------------------ Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/ ------------------------ Open Source SOA http://fusesource.com
