On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, Wolfgang Keller wrote:

> > Why are you on this subproject?
> > -------------------------------
> Because due to my work, I am interested in project management software
> that is _actually_ _useful_ for real-world applications and especially
> such  software  that  is  affordable  (or  free)  and  open (i.e. open
> scripting/etc. interfaces, open data formats etc.).

This is pretty much the same reasons I am here.
 
> > What do you wish for in a project management tool?
> > --------------------------------------------------
> That it should _not_ be just a "clone" of MS Project, as MS Project is
> a  _lot_  too  clumsy  to  use  for  trivial applications and does not
> provide the functionality required for non-trivial applications.

I agree. I was hired as a stand-in for a Microsoft Project teacher who 
have double book - it backfired because the students could see my 
discomfort with Microsoft Project even though I had been an expert for 
years.

> I hope that the PM-application for OO will not repeat the mistake imho
> committed  by  the original Staroffice developers who have essentially
> copied MS Office, even including quite a few of its worst design bugs.

I agree too. We should design it for project management use and not aim at 
the best way to integrate it with OpenOffice.org as the main target. First 
of all OOPM should be a tool for project managers and others in the 
project office.

> Apart  from  that  -  don't re-invent any wheels that don't need to be
> re-invented.  Don't  commit  the  mistake  (again  imho)  of  the OODB
> developers  who  invented yet another open-source database despite the
> fact  that  there  are  already  by  far  enough of them available and
> despite  the  fact  that OO already has a quite good DB interface. All
> they  should  have  done  is work on the SDBC drivers for the existing
> databases.

I agree again - but maybe some of the bits we want to use have licenses 
that do not comply with GNU LGPL.
 
> To   begin   with,   get   the demo version and the manuals of A-Plan,
> that's  a  quite  good  example  for  a project management application
> that does most if not all what I need and is comfortable to use.
> 
> > What (if any) can you contribute with?
> > --------------------------------------
> 
> Feature reques^H^H^H Constructive ideas. :-)

Great ;v)

> Obnoxious criticism. >:->

Which is also usefull - if it is not too much...
 
> Testing  - Oops, errr, well, uhm, I think I managed to get it to crash
> again... :-)

Then we want to know how...

> > What can we (as a subproject) do to develop OOPM?
> > -------------------------------------------------
> 
> Start drawing up a functional specification.

As stated earlier - I am putting together a wishlist which could be use as 
the fundament.
 
> _Before_ you start designing or coding.

We know that - many of you who have responded told so.

I like the bazaar model - but we must start by creating the draft in the 
cathedral...
 
> > What background do you have related to this subproject?
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> I've  used  and  I  am  still using a few different project management
> applications for actual everyday work.

C/would you list them?

Thanks for replying (also for all the others who had replied where I 
didn't thank you'd)

The most enjoyable greetings
-- 
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