On 7 March 2013 09:53, Andrea Pescetti <[email protected]> wrote: > Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> >>> "Sustainability concerns due to our use of unsupported applications (from >>> Apache Infra perspective), including phpBB and MWiki and reliance on a >>> very >>> small number of system admins." ... >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/** >>> Website+Strategic+Plan<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Strategic+Plan> >>> >> And let's not forget alternative ways of addressing this concern: >> 1) Work with Infra to make MWiki be officially supported. >> or >> 2) Form our own admin group >> > > Indeed, I see no reasons to revisit, especially at the current stage, the > MWiki vs [any other wiki] issue. > > MWiki is the biggest source of information about the project; while its > content is often outdated, it's still very useful. Existing links to the > MWiki pages are in the thousands (or more). It has been updated with a huge > effort lead by Jan, and it is now stable and reliable. >
I totally agree with this point of view, but when a PMC raises doubt about using Mwiki, it is something we all have to listen carefully to, afterall one of the points in being PMC is to secure the long term stability of the community and product. This is also the reason I researched cwiki and moin...not that I personally would like to change, but because I read the mail from one PMC and the reactions from others. > > If our problem is to enlarge the administrators group for MWiki or to get > it officially supported, I prefer to explore these options first. We > already have three committers who can administer MWiki on the system > administration (shell access) side, right? (jani, imacat, rbircher). How > many more do we need? I've also just asked Infra for clarifications about > the "supported applications" issue. > At the moment we have no-one with "just" shell access, all 3 have (or can have) root access. Furthermore rjung (infra) pratically maintains httpd, gmcdonald (infra-root) helps with more or less everything and Clayton helps with mwiki setup (without access). BIG Thanks to all three for their great help ! After the upgrade we have had one incident (which rjung handled), one upgrade proposition (which I handled wrong) and 2 request for change (one pending and one I have handled). At the same time, nothing have been done "inside" mwiki regarding old pages, strange categories, spammed paged, misleading information. At the moment 2/3 of the time I use on mwiki goes to logistic and coordinating people, if the group is expanded my experience is that the overhead grows exponentially. I respect the wish of the community and when the group is expanded, I will withdraw (after a handover), I am here to get things done and not to coordinate people. I fully understand we need many sysop, and the idea of having a mail list (or just a wiki-page, with sysop access level) is a good idea. Our biggest job at the moment is not sys-admin but normal sysop work. I honestly think we should consider more how to stabilize the "inside" of mwiki instead of focussing on the sysadmin part, but that is just my opinion. rgds Jan I. > > Regards, > Andrea. > > > ------------------------------**------------------------------**--------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org<[email protected]> > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >
