Thanks for the clarification Pat! It always help to have Apache veterans to provide historical context to these processes.
As for me, I'd like to remain as PMC and committer. I like the idea of polling the current committers and PMC, but like you said, most of them got pretty busy and may not be reading mailing list in a while. Maybe let me try a shout out here and see if anyone would acknowledge it, so that we know whether a poll will be effective. *>> If you're a PMC or committer who see this line but hasn't been replying this thread, please acknowledge. <<* Regarding the maturity model, this is my perception right now: - CD10, CD20, CD30, CD40 (and we start to have CD50 as well) - LC10, LC20, LC30, LC40, LC50 - RE10, RE20, RE30, RE50 (I think we hope to also do RE40 with 0.12) - QU10, QU30, QU40, QU50 (we should put a bit of focus to QU20) - CO10, CO20, CO30, CO40, CO60, CO70 (for CO50, I think we've been operating under the assumption that PMC and contributors are pretty standard definitions by ASF. We can call those out explicitly.) - CS10, CS50 (We are also assuming implicitly CS20, CS30, and CS40 from main ASF doc) - IN10, IN20 Let me know what you think. On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Pat Ferrel <p...@occamsmachete.com> wrote: > The Chair, PMC, and Committers may be different after graduation. > PMC/committers are sometimes not active committers but can have a valuable > role as mentors, in non-technical roles, as support people on the mailing > list, or as sometimes committers who don’t seem very active but come in > every so often to make a key contribution. So I hope this doesn’t become a > time to prune too deeply. I’d suggest we only do that if one of the > committers has done something to lessen our project maturity or wants to be > left out for their own reasons. An example of bad behavior is someone > trying to exert corporate dominance (which is severely frowned on by the > ASF). Another would be someone who is disruptive to the point of destroying > team effectiveness. I personally haven’t seen any of this but purposely > don’t read everything so chime in here. > > It would be good to have people declare their interest-level. As for me, > I’d like to remain on the PMC as a committer but have no interest in Chair. > Since people can become busy periodically and not read @dev (me?) we could, > maybe should, poll the current committers and PMC to get the lists ready > for the graduation proposal. > > > Don’t forget that we are not just asking for dev community opinion about > graduation. We are also asking that people check things like the Maturity > Checklist to see it we are ready. http://community.apache.org/ > apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html < > http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html> > People seem fairly enthusiastic about applying for graduation, but are > there things we need to do before hand? The goal is to show that we do not > require the second level check for decisions that the IPMC provides. The > last release required no changes but had a proviso about content licenses. > This next release should fly through without provisos IMHO. Are there other > things we should do? > > > On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:16 AM, takako shimamoto <chiboch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I entirely agree with everyone else. > I hope the PIO community will become more active after graduation. > > > 2. If we are to graduate, who should we include in the list of the > initial > > PMC? > > Don't all present IPMC members are included in the list of the initial PMC? > > Personally, I think we may as well check and see if present IPMC > members intend to become an initial PMC for graduation. > Members who make a declaration of intent to become it will surely > contribute to the project. > It is a great contribution not only to develop a program but also to > respond to email aggressively or fix document. > > > 2017-08-29 14:20 GMT+09:00 Donald Szeto <don...@apache.org>: > > Hi all, > > > > Since the ASF Board meeting in May ( > > http://apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2017/board_ > minutes_2017_05_17.txt), > > PredictionIO has been considered nearing graduation and I think we are > > almost there. I am kickstarting this thread so that we can discuss on > these > > 3 things: > > > > 1. Does the development community feel ready to graduate? > > 2. If we are to graduate, who should we include in the list of the > initial > > PMC? > > 3. If we are to graduate, who should be the VP of the initial PMC? > > > > These points are relevant for graduation. Please take a look at the > > official graduation guide: > > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html. > > > > In addition, Sara and I have been working to transfer the PredictionIO > > trademark to the ASF. We will keep you updated with our progress. > > > > I would also like to propose to cut a 0.12.0 release by merging JIRAs > that > > have a target version set to 0.12.0-incubating for graduation. 0.12.0 > will > > contain cleanups for minor license and copyright issues that were pointed > > out in previous releases by IPMC. > > > > Let me know what you think. > > > > Regards, > > Donald > >
