Hi Frank, *,
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 02:59:28PM +0100, Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems
Germany wrote:
> >>That's in fact a problem. Those tinderbox stati in EIS have been
> >>introduced without extensive explanation.
> >
> > Wrong. It has been announced here and on at least the tools-ML.
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg03936.html
>
> Okay, in this mail was more than I remembered. It could have been
> phrased more explicitly ("ignore the error counts in all cases, only
> look for colors"), but the idea to look for "red" was in fact there.
>
> What's still missing in this announcement is the explanation of the
> three items. What's in there is "if it's red, it's bad, and can have
> three causes". What's *not* in there - and what is *needed* to actually
> work with this data - is how to differ those three possible causes. I'm
> am completely alone in deciding this.
Well, the new modules should be mentioned ein EIS anyway, and the other
cases should be pretty easy to tell apart from real failures by having a
look at the log.
There is no way to tell them apart without having a look at the log.
> > Since there has been no questions about it, one must assume that
> > everyone did understand.
>
> Come on. The world isn't as easy as this.
It was announced. No question were asked.
It appeared in EIS. No one asked what that new box in EIS is about. So
even when you missed the announcement, you (or anybody else who uses EIS
on a regular basis) could have asked what is the purpose of this new stuff.
> [...]
> >>Ergo: Tinderbox in EIS is not really useful ATM, sorry.
> >
> > And again I start shaking my had and start to get really sad.
> >
> > If you don't understand about tinderbox, why don't you ask for an
> > explanation?
>
> Because I underestimated the mail? Personally, I could even say I'm a
> developer, so it could have been I didn't read the announcement at all
> (yes, I'm reading [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I'm skipping a lot).
You got me wrong. I don't critisize you for not knowing what tinderbox
is about. I critisize you for labeling tinderbox as useless without
knowing what it is about. Without trying to find out before putting the
"its useless" mark on it.
> > Why do you ignore it instead and tell that it is useless?
>
> Because I don't know that and - more important - *how* I, as a
> developer, am expected to use it.
So just ask! We got mailinglists, we got IRC. But don't label something
as useless just because you don't know about it.
I hope this will be sorted out on the next release meeting.
> (and yes, perhaps I should have made clearer that my mail was written as
> developer, not as QA.)
ciao
Christian
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