Hi Thorsten,

On Thursday 20 May 2010, Thorsten Ziehm wrote:

> Perhaps I misunderstood the releases of go-oo. In the following blog
> you can find links, what is/isn't contributed to OOo. As you can see
> the products are differ in parts a lot.
>
> http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/05/17/openoffice_org-3_2_1_1/

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/ooo-build/ooo-build/tree/patches/dev300/apply

is the ultimate source of the information what has been contributed, search 
for "i#" in there, this means that the patch has been filed to the up-stream 
IZ.

As I explained, our process involves filing patches to the IZ for up-stream 
bugs we find (or creating CWSes when appropriate), if you find out that it 
hasn't happened in some case, please let me know, we must fix that.

> How often the QA person should go in contact with the bug reporter to
> get the feedback that is a bug in Ubuntu or any other distro version?
> This is the time which costs resources.

As I wrote below "if you find out that a bug is invalid in up-stream, but the 
reporter talks about a particular Linux distro" - no additional turnaround.  
The info is not there => invalid, the info is there => go_oo_bugs.

> > I would like to ask you to try the alias solution I proposed.  I have
> > just created a go_oo_b...@openoffice.org user; if you find out that a bug
> > is invalid in up-stream, but the reporter talks about a particular Linux
> > distro (openSUSE, Debian, Ubuntu, ...), just reassign it to
> > go_oo_b...@openoffice.org, instead of setting it as 'invalid'.  The
> > notification will go to our mailing list (ooo-bu...@lists.freedesktop.org
> > at the moment, and I asked for a dedicated one), and no other work for
> > you - we will take care of the rest.
>
> Do you know, how many issues we talk about currently? Near to 600 issuer
> are set to invalid or worksforme since begin of 2010. And I heard by
> some of my QA engineers, that these issues are often for OOo versions of
> other distros.

Then if they get fixed, you'll get no other duplicates :-)  But if we don't 
know about them [instead of reporting to the go-oo (Novell) bugzilla, the 
reporter chose up-stream IZ, and it was done 'invalid' there], how can we 
help you to get the number down?

> If you want to get a feeling, what the situation is. Please query for
> all invalid issues from the past month. Evaluate them and evaluate if
> these issues are in 'not-vanilla' OOo versions are only.

I looked, and eg. http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=111606 is a 
perfect example.  Instead of:

'For help and support please use the us...@openoffice.org mailing lists.
Please also check if this also happens in the OOo version from our site.
If not, please report this to Ubuntu.' + setting to closed invalid

you'd do:

'For help and support please use the us...@openoffice.org mailing lists.
Please also check if this also happens in the OOo version from our site.
Looks go-oo related though, reassigning.' + reassign to go_oo_bugs.

> > Do you think it might work for you, please?
>
> If a process of handling such issues (I wrote about it some mails ago)
> exists and the alias aren't a black hole where nothing happen, than it
> might work. But it still costs resources in the mother-project OOo. And
> this I want to avoid.

No, it is not going to be a black hole.  I just hope my proposal is the least 
work for you, with potential benefits for all of us.

All the best,
Kendy

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