Hey Om, If you have capacity please finish that release. Users of VSCode and Moonshine will be happy!
Thanks, Piotr On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 5:08 PM OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote: > The last time I tried to release, it was on Windows PC. Some tweaks were > required. Also, I would say that the release process was too automated 😊 > As a result I was not able to figure out what exaxtly broke, etc. > > FWIW, I have a Mac now. I can try again if Piotr wants to take a break. > > Getting an automated release script working flawlessly takes multiple > releases. Remember, as with any software, such scripts will have bugs and > we need to catch them and fix them. > > Unfortunately, one such bug was that for the 0.9.2 release, what got > published to npm was versioned at 0.9.3. We have since fixed that issue in > our script. But npm does not allow do overs for released artifacts. > > We have learnt our lesson, lets move on please ☺ > > Thanks, > Om > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 12:53 AM Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > Hi Alex, > > thanks you see it in the list of unread messages and will go to say that > I > > found it. > > I'll take a look now > > > > > > El jue., 20 sept. 2018 a las 9:44, Alex Harui (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid > >) > > escribió: > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/19/18, 11:49 PM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > > what Zend-AMF issue you refer? can you post the link to that issue? > > > thanks > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/list.html?us...@royale.apache.org > > > > > > PD: about your preoccupation, we'll have issues for many months to > > > come. I > > > see each day in Jewel as I go here and there fixing or completing > > > issues I > > > find, so I think is ok release with that issues so people can "play > > > with > > > the toy". > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > So, my opinion is that, if someone what to release, we should not > > wait > > > for > > > anything...we have many things to add, solve, fix, that one or two > > > will not > > > make a difference for me. As I said, maybe wait for release, could > be > > > worse > > > in terms of potential users we can loose in that time. > > > > > > Of course there will be lots of issues to fix. But some seem bigger > than > > > others, and IMO, make the difference between whether Royale leaves the > > > impression of being a product or a toy. If your app won't run because > > the > > > dependencies aren't right, or AMF doesn't work, will they help fix it, > or > > > wait, or go somewhere else? > > > > > > If you want to release now, then you have to promise to delay what you > > > were planning to work on to handle new customer issues. Because that's > > > what always happens to me. By waiting until Alina hits an important > > > milestone helps keep a user we know and want to make successful. > > > > > > -Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El jue., 20 sept. 2018 a las 2:47, Alex Harui > > > (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>) > > > escribió: > > > > > > > The key question for me is what Carlos wrote: " I'm trying to > fix > > > and get > > > > things as most usable as possible in > > > > Jewel to avoid many changes post release" > > > > > > > > I always wonder if it helps or hurts to draw attention to the > > > release when > > > > we know there's good chance someone is going to hit a known bug. > > > I'd like > > > > to see if we can fix the issues brought up by some new users. > Such > > > as: > > > > > > > > 1) > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Froyale-asjs%2Fissues%2F297%23issuecomment-422870607&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757292613&sdata=54aFEiUJ%2FRTCiBooZaJADt9CvYamAcvzNyWY1wP0%2Fjg%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > 2) the Zend-AMF issue. A more robust AMF might be worth the > wait. > > > > > > > > Those of you who want to release soon should promise to > investigate > > > any > > > > dependency or AMF issues brought up by new users. When we > release > > > with > > > > issues like these, not only does it cost me the time to be the > RM, > > > but also > > > > seems to cost me the time to investigate and respond to the > issues > > > brought > > > > up afterwards. > > > > > > > > My 2 cents, > > > > -Alex > > > > > > > > On 9/19/18, 2:59 PM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I certainly can position clearly: Community is waiting and we > > are > > > > getting > > > > momentum, each day we get 1-2 new people in twitter > following, > > > so it > > > > seems > > > > we are getting some traction. If we release now, those > > > interested in > > > > Royale > > > > would finally start to get its hands dirty and try things, > > > releasing > > > > later > > > > could make we loose that people interested and potential > > > community. In > > > > the > > > > other hand, I'm trying to fix and get things as most usable > as > > > > possible in > > > > Jewel to avoid many changes post release. For example today > > make > > > some > > > > needed changes to jewel layouts that make more robust now, > and > > > > although we > > > > make changes later, many of them will be more internally (or > at > > > least I > > > > want to get the most stable API I can so things are as most > > > organized > > > > and > > > > well named as possible). > > > > > > > > If someone could continue the effort will be very good, but > if > > > none of > > > > us > > > > can do, it I think nothing can be done but continue working > > hard > > > to get > > > > things done. > > > > > > > > just my 2 > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El mié., 19 sept. 2018 a las 22:57, Harbs (< > > > harbs.li...@gmail.com>) > > > > escribió: > > > > > > > > > Jewel is another reason. > > > > > > > > > > Carlos wrote a lot of blog posts which can’t be run until > we > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > (Plus lots of little things that were fixed…) > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 19, 2018, at 11:26 PM, Piotr Zarzycki < > > > > piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I personally express important reason. Releasing can help > > > community > > > > > around > > > > > > VSCode and Moonshine. > > > > > > > > > > > > Piotr > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:41 PM Alex Harui > > > <aha...@adobe.com.invalid > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> What do you see as the important reasons? I know the > > Apache > > > > mantra is > > > > > to > > > > > >> release early and often, but if it were up to me, we > would > > > release > > > > > after we > > > > > >> hit some interesting milestone, like getting Alina's app > > to > > > > compile > > > > > >> completely, or someone else says they are ready to go to > > > > production and > > > > > >> need a released version of Royale. There are some bugs > > > blocking > > > > users > > > > > that > > > > > >> I would rather get done before releasing. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> My 2 cents, > > > > > >> -Alex > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On 9/19/18, 10:34 AM, "Harbs" <harbs.li...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I’m happy to try and be a release manager, but I > don’t > > > have > > > > time for > > > > > >> at least a month. I think it’s pretty important to get > > this > > > > release out > > > > > >> sooner rather than later. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> If you can help Piotr finish this release, I’ll try > to > > > do the > > > > 0.9.5 > > > > > >> release. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > >> Harbs > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> On Sep 19, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Alex Harui > > > <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Hi Piotr, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> In my previous email, I was trying to say that you > don't > > > need to > > > > run > > > > > >> update.versions because I already did. > > > > > >>> In that and even earlier emails, we discussed running > > > > make_branches > > > > > >> twice. IMO, you are getting the right results by > running > > > > make_branches. > > > > > >> Given the current state of the repo, running > make_branches > > > once > > > > will set > > > > > >> the develop branch to 0.9.4-SNAPSHOT and the release > > branch > > > to > > > > 0.9.3. > > > > > >> That's because that's how Maven works. The current poms > in > > > > develop are > > > > > set > > > > > >> to 0.9.3-SNAPSHOT. Maven removes the "SNAPSHOT" in the > > > release > > > > branch > > > > > and > > > > > >> bumps the version in the develop branch. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I think you can just run make_branches again and it > > should > > > > create a > > > > > >> release branch with 0.9.4 and bump the develop branch to > > > > 0.9.5-SNAPSHOT. > > > > > >> That would be what we want. > > > > > >>> If you want me to help more, I will take the time to do > > > so. I > > > > can: > > > > > >>> -Get the repos to the point where the current scripts > > > should > > > > "just > > > > > >> work". > > > > > >>> -Make sure make_branches works and is complete. > > > > > >>> -Do all of the other steps. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I still think it is important that someone else besides > > me > > > can > > > > run > > > > > >> the scripts and generate a release. So I would prefer > to > > > just > > > > get the > > > > > >> repos ready so that you can try running the scripts. If > > > there are > > > > > >> important things you've learned that other RMs will need > > to > > > know, > > > > please > > > > > >> try to capture them in the wiki document. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> @Carlos, I have spent a lot of time trying to automate > > > releasing. > > > > > >> As Piotr said, skipping a version wasn't planned for > and I > > > hope > > > > it won't > > > > > >> ever happen again. Unless you've actually looked at the > > > scripts > > > > and > > > > > read > > > > > >> the wiki document and tried it, saying you think there > are > > > too > > > > many > > > > > manual > > > > > >> steps is not only wrong, but discouraging to those who > > have > > > put > > > > effort > > > > > into > > > > > >> it. If you really think it needs to be better > automated, > > > then do > > > > it > > > > > >> yourself. Don’t expect others to do things for you when > > > you make > > > > > negative > > > > > >> comments about their work. I have other things I want > to > > > work on > > > > other > > > > > >> than release automation. Release automation is only > going > > > to be > > > > "good > > > > > >> enough" and always in need of improvement. We've only > > done > > > two > > > > releases > > > > > >> and we are still debugging the scripts. Join the > effort > > > instead > > > > of > > > > > >> complaining about it. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Thanks, > > > > > >>> -Alex > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On 9/19/18, 7:39 AM, "Carlos Rovira" < > > > carlosrov...@apache.org > > > > > >> <mailto:carlosrov...@apache.org>> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Hi Piotr, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> sorry to hear that, I think we're out of resources. > I'm > > > > > >> concentrating in > > > > > >>> make Jewel as stable as possible since in few days we > > can > > > > start a > > > > > >> new > > > > > >>> project with Royale-Jewel, so I still don't know how > > > I'll be > > > > > >> doing to > > > > > >>> continuer Jewel, make that project and continue with > my > > > other > > > > > >> tasks that my > > > > > >>> position require. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Maybe others could take this opportunity to make this > > > happen > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Thanks > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Carlos > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> El mié., 19 sept. 2018 a las 13:58, Piotr Zarzycki (< > > > > > >>> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>) escribió: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> Btw. The process is quite automatic, but skipping the > > > version > > > > wasn't > > > > > >>>> something considered before. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 1:31 PM Piotr Zarzycki < > > > > > >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> Carlos, > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Unfortunately I'm giving up doing that. I have spent > on > > > this > > > > too > > > > > >> much > > > > > >>>> time > > > > > >>>>> and money. Someone else can continue from my point. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Dev branch is setup to 0.9.4-SNAPSHOT. Even with > > detailed > > > > > >> instruction > > > > > >>>> from > > > > > >>>>> Alex I don't know what to do next. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Details are in previous email. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Good Luck! > > > > > >>>>> Piotr > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 1:15 PM Carlos Rovira < > > > > > >> carlosrov...@apache.org> > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Hi Piotr, > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> I encourage you and Alex to try to refine more the > > > process so > > > > we > > > > > >> can > > > > > >>>>>> release more easily. I think right now the process > is > > > very > > > > > >> dependent of > > > > > >>>>>> many manual tasks, and that impact in all: huge > effort > > > to do > > > > the > > > > > >>>> release, > > > > > >>>>>> many time involved, impossible to reproduce in next > > > release,.. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> I think this effort you're doing could be maybe the > > most > > > > > >> important right > > > > > >>>>>> now in Royale. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Maybe you could ask for some help to other Apache > > > teams, maybe > > > > > >> infra > > > > > >>>>>> people?, or maven people? > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Thanks for taking over this > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Carlos > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> El mié., 19 sept. 2018 a las 11:16, Olaf Krueger (< > > > > > >> m...@olafkrueger.net > > > > > >>>>> ) > > > > > >>>>>> escribió: > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> All of that things are complex because we need to > > > skip one > > > > > >>>> version... > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> Would it be possible to create something like a > fake > > > release > > > > > >> v0.9.3? > > > > > >>>>>>> Just to satisfy all those tools and automatism? > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> Olaf > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> -- > > > > > >>>>>>> Sent from: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache-royale-development.20373.n8.nabble.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757302618&sdata=ujz6zOXpKAHfbqW6j8pC5TN7cGY0BczTfCWOqQ4k6mQ%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > >> < > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache-royale-development.20373.n8.nabble.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757302618&sdata=ujz6zOXpKAHfbqW6j8pC5TN7cGY0BczTfCWOqQ4k6mQ%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> -- > > > > > >>>>>> Carlos Rovira > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757302618&sdata=10K2rbXEkF8xNGLJdODgekNr%2FOrZHWe02ibI618nnhs%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > >> < > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757302618&sdata=10K2rbXEkF8xNGLJdODgekNr%2FOrZHWe02ibI618nnhs%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> Carlos Rovira > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757302618&sdata=10K2rbXEkF8xNGLJdODgekNr%2FOrZHWe02ibI618nnhs%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > >> < > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757302618&sdata=10K2rbXEkF8xNGLJdODgekNr%2FOrZHWe02ibI618nnhs%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Carlos Rovira > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757302618&sdata=10K2rbXEkF8xNGLJdODgekNr%2FOrZHWe02ibI618nnhs%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Carlos Rovira > > > > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C7b170880a70a4b8d340c08d61ec539b7%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636730229757302618&sdata=10K2rbXEkF8xNGLJdODgekNr%2FOrZHWe02ibI618nnhs%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Carlos Rovira > > http://about.me/carlosrovira > > >
