Carlos.  This is hopefully my last email on this topic until this evening when 
I can get back to it.

The 3 points are not disagreed upon at the high-level they are stated at.  What 
is disagreed is what the technical impiications of that are.  I am going to 
take the time to try to carefully and accurately write a summary of the actual 
points of disagreement.

Thanks,
-Alex

On 4/1/20, 11:35 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <[email protected]> wrote:

    Hi Alex,
    
    propossal at a glance is:
    
    1.- One process should not be over the other.
    2.- It's up to the RM to choose one or the other.
    3.- Release process can't block enhancements to build process
    
    We're not voting technical details. It's about freedom. We're voting that
    RM can use whatever way is available that produces a valid release to Vote.
    This is just what Apache process requires.
    IOW, since I already said that I'm not to use CI Server due to my
    experience, even if you get it to work. I want to know if anyone here could
    have a problem if they want to release with other method than CI Server.
    
    Technical improvements to each process can be done in other threads without
    problems.
    
    
    
    
    
    El mié., 1 abr. 2020 a las 20:19, Alex Harui (<[email protected]>)
    escribió:
    
    > IMO, the choices in the proposal are not the ones that need to be decided
    > by vote, or really at all.
    >
    > The proposal is not including a key technical detail and may cause people
    > to vote in a way that they wouldn't if they understood the key technical
    > pieces.
    >
    > -Alex
    >
    > On 4/1/20, 11:10 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >     ok thanks,
    >
    >     about cancelling vote. Piotr, Yishay and I thought it was time to 
vote.
    >     Harbs expressed to cancel, but seems was due to still couldn't catch
    > with
    >     all the info we generated this weeks.
    >     You want to cancel to discuss the technical solution about process
    > [2]. But
    >     this Vote thread is not about that. I think we already proved is a
    > valid
    >     process and generates a valid release, and I'm open to continue
    > updating
    >     and improving it as usual. The vote is about choices and not impose
    > just
    >     one method, that's about what I'm worried, I think maybe we don't need
    > to
    >     vote if we all are in the boat, and since we didn't vote at any point
    > in
    >     our history about just use one CI Server as unique option for
    > releases. If
    >     we are ok on that I think we can cancel this vote.
    >
    >     thanks
    >
    >
    >
    >     El mié., 1 abr. 2020 a las 18:53, Alex Harui 
(<[email protected]
    > >)
    >     escribió:
    >
    >     > Worked.
    >     >
    >     > On 4/1/20, 9:52 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >     >
    >     >     worked?
    >     >     thanks
    >     >
    >     >     El mié., 1 abr. 2020 a las 18:46, Alex Harui
    > (<[email protected]
    >     > >)
    >     >     escribió:
    >     >
    >     >     > OK, thanks.
    >     >     >
    >     >     > On 4/1/20, 9:39 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >     >     >
    >     >     >     Hi new link for [2]
    >     >     >
    >     >     >     let's see if that works
    >     >     >
    >     >     >
    >     >     >
    >     >     >     [2]
    >     >     >
    >     >
    > 
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