I understand where the concerns are coming from and frankly have to admit that Kakao members of the community are guilty as charged : ( I can think of a few reasons of why the project is not up to par regarding working in the Apache Way: - committers having little development experience in ASF projects - committers sharing the same office - language barrier is an actual thing, too! However, none the above reasons can be an excuse if S2Graph wants to become a successful Apache project. I can only speak for myself, but I'm confident that the committers are keen believers in the Apache Way and solving this problem is a matter of more care and practice. Thank you for your kind advise, Sergio and Luke.
Regards, Jo On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:14 AM Luke Han <luke...@gmail.com> wrote: > Same feeling I have too, there's few discussions for others to participant > and exchange ideas. > > Our experience from Apache Kylin, the core dev team was in same office, is > to bring such stuff to mailing list as much as possible. f2f discuss is a > great way but at least should raise some thread to let community know the > next step, the plan and architect/tech changes, so that everybody could > join. Then you could see the community is more active today with many new > contributors/committers and users. > > Please let me know if I could help more. > > Thanks. > > > Best Regards! > --------------------- > > Luke Han > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Sergio Fernández <wik...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've been thinking for a while about this issue... because my current > > feeling in that the community has not really landed in ASF. Yes, you are > > creating issues, pull requests, commiting code, etc. But there is no much > > discussion in the mailing list. For instance, checking the mail archives > of > > dev@s2graph.a.o > > http://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aorg.apache.s2graph.dev it's > > clear something is happening behind the scenes. I can't find any other > > reason how I can be the second most active person (excluding jira and > > github bots) in this mailing list. > > > > So that leads me to think that you still meet face-to-face on regular > > basis, you privately agree on the next steps and then you behave as you > did > > before as a company, but just on public coding infrastructure. And that's > > not supposed to happen in the Apache Way, where decisions are taken in > the > > community. Actually there is a common say in Apache: "If it didn't happen > > on a mailing list, it didn't happen". > > > > I may be wrong, and I hope to be wrong, but that's my current feeling. > So, > > my advice as mentor, and actually it's one of the points I stressed when > > the project entered incubation, is that you have to focus to grow your > > community outside Kakao. For instance, I miss the discussion about the > > first release. Such kind of thing, you know. > > > > Cheers, > > > > -- > > Sergio Fernández > > Partner Technology Manager > > Redlink GmbH > > m: +43 6602747925 > > e: sergio.fernan...@redlink.co > > w: http://redlink.co > > >
