My favourites are two and three but I think we can have few versions each with different colors. What about fonts? I would like to push this further and start working on web-side layout :-)
2014-03-07 18:09 GMT+01:00 Chris Pratt <thechrispr...@gmail.com>: > I like the third from the top the best. It has the best contrast between > the light and dark blues. > (*Chris*) > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org>wrote: > >> New colors https://copy.com/mewPAFa0GuQo and designer's answer: >> >> Several blue variants to be considered. As well as several fonts. >> >> I do not agree about the font - I like it very much, it is modern - >> not all serifs are outdated. >> >> The font is called Aleo, you can read some here >> http://fontfabric.com/aleo-free-font/ >> >> 2014-03-07 15:29 GMT+01:00 Andrew Carr <andrewlanec...@gmail.com>: >> > I have a tattoo already. >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Matthew Panetta <matt...@panetta.id.au >> >wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> On 7 Mar 2014, at 10:46 pm, Dave Newton <davelnew...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Honestly, if it comes down to it, I'm willing to throw some money at >> >> > 99designs to get it done right. >> >> > >> >> > Another issue I had was the really thin whitespace lines in the logo; >> >> that >> >> > can make some printing a bit trickier. >> >> > >> >> > Because we all want t-shirts and tattoos, right? >> >> > >> >> > Right? >> >> > >> >> > Anyone? >> >> >> >> Sure, why not. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:42 AM, i...@flyingfischer.ch < >> >> i...@flyingfischer.ch >> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Voltaire and Oswald seem to be condensed fonts, while Alegreya Sans >> SC >> >> and >> >> >> Alef and others aren't. >> >> >> >> >> >> I always feel typography is a very difficult job and needs to be >> seen in >> >> >> the given case. >> >> >> >> >> >> Maybe the graphic guy could make some suggestions, choosing the >> >> >> appropriate kind of font for the situation? >> >> >> >> >> >> Markus >> >> >> >> >> >> Am 07.03.2014 12:08, schrieb Matthew Panetta: >> >> >> >> >> >>> I like Roboto and Inconsolata. Also found Voltaire and Oswald. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection: >> >> >>> >> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Viga|Audiowide|Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Roboto|Nobile| >> >> >>> Inconsolata|Voltaire|Oswald< >> >> >> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CViga%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata%7CVoltaire%7COswald >> >> > >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On 7 Mar 2014, at 6:05 pm, Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Maybe some of these >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection: >> >> >>>> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Flamenco|Cambo|Esteban|Audiowide| >> >> >>>> >> >> >> Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Prosto+One|Varela+Round|Roboto|Nobile|Inconsolata< >> >> >> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CFlamenco%7CCambo%7CEsteban%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CProsto+One%7CVarela+Round%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata >> >> > >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> 2014-03-07 7:47 GMT+01:00 Matthew Panetta <matt...@panetta.id.au>: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>> My thoughts exactly. Needs a different font. >> >> >>>>> On 07/03/2014 5:41 pm, "i...@flyingfischer.ch" < >> >> i...@flyingfischer.ch> >> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> The Logo looks nice. Has a slight reference to the art work of >> M.C. >> >> >>>>>> Escher. Great work. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Blue is always nice ;-) >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> The typography however gives the whole logo a not too modern >> touch, >> >> >>>>>> because it uses letters with serifs. I wonder if this will match >> >> nicely >> >> >>>>>> with the serif free home page of struts 2? >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Best regards >> >> >>>>>> Markus Fischer >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Am 07.03.2014 06:50, schrieb Lukasz Lenart: >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Link if attachment is missing >> >> >>>>>>> https://copy.com/MXrnIYz8KajY >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> 2014-03-07 0:01 GMT+01:00 Chris Pratt <thechrispr...@gmail.com >> >: >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> I must have missed it, I don't see anything?? >> >> >>>>>>>> (*Chris*) >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Lukasz Lenart < >> >> >>>>>>>> lukaszlen...@apache.org> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Work continues, 3rd version of logo, wdyt? I think dark-blue >> >> version >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> would be also nice. >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> 2013-11-26 8:59 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Lenart < >> lukaszlen...@apache.org >> >> >: >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> I have passed your comment to designer - anyway we have time >> and >> >> we >> >> >>>>>>>>>> can always start over when the first logo won't be good >> enough >> >> ;-) >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Reagrds >> >> >>>>>>>>>> -- >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Łukasz >> >> >>>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/24 Rene Gielen <rene.gie...@gmail.com>: >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Am 20.11.13 14:52, schrieb Christian Grobmeier: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 16:51, Lukasz Lenart wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/12 Cameron Morris <cmor...@part.net>: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I love the look of steampunk and rickety old bridges, but >> I >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sends >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wrong message for a project fighting the perception >> of >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> old >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> legacy. I'd say the more modern looking the better. However, >> >> some >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> of the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more modern bridges look so space age it might be hard to >> >> tell >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> are bridges if they are made into a small icon. Perhaps some >> of >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> might spark an idea: http://www.flickr.com/search/? >> >> >>>>>>>>>> q=modern%20bridge >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm... you know everything new someday will be old anyway >> ;-) >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rather say let's focus on having cool logo and not the >> >> message >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sends ;-) >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on the cool logo NOW instead of wasting more time. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Its always funny with us devs. We have a crap logo for >> years. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Somebody shows up and contributes a fantastic logo >> (compared >> >> to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> other one). >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly all devs become designers and social media >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> communicators. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> You are right with our out-of-style old logo, and that >> things >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> should >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> change here. But why exactly are we in such a hurry? Going >> too >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> long >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> with >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> an old logo does not mean that a new logo should replace the >> >> old >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> one >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> as >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> soon as it is just "better". IMHO we would want to replace >> it >> >> with >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> something that satisfies us for years. It should be cool and >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> catchy >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> now >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> and in five years. "Fantastic compared to the other one" is >> IMO >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> not >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> enough. Do we want old-time users to be surprised to find >> >> better >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> now, or do we want anyone stumbling over our site or a >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Zeroturnaround >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> web frameworks survey to think "hey man, nice logo!"? >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a social media designer, and for that reason I need >> to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> interact >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> with a designer. I need inspiration and suggestions to >> >> formulate >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> turn >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> which directions to go for the next iteration. Since I'm >> not a >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> designer, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm for sure too lame with my own cool logo proposal. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Over all the years I was involved with design tasks, I've >> seen >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> design >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> emerge after some iterations in a process similar to what I >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> outlined >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> above. I have never ever experienced being given a first >> >> proposal >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> that >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> makes it directly to production. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Personally I am super-happy that we have such a great >> proposal. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> And if we don't have another option (one of us devs IS a >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> designer AND >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> does some work) >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> we should definitely consider it. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm super happy with the work being done, and I like some >> of >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the ideas >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> incorporated in the first proposals. I like the fact that >> >> someone >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> steps >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> up and is kind enough to donate work and creativity, and I >> am >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> super >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> thankful for that - and, to be honest, it makes me bit shy >> to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> provide >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> too much criticism, especially since it is not my profession >> >> the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> actual >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> work is all about. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I went back and forth many times the last two weeks to think >> >> and >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> re-think if I like the logo, how it might be seen, and what >> >> well >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> founded >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> criticism I could give. In my review I tried to both >> >> incorporate >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> what >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> as a non-professional know about design, as well as what I >> as a >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "professional design recipient" (read: consumer) feel when I >> >> see >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Some of my thoughts: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Most common to me seems a combination of a dedicated logo >> icon >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> with a >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> clean writing for the brand, or just an elaborate writing >> >> without >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> icon. From time to time you see some font gimmickry to make >> a >> >> pure >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> writing recognizable. But I have failed so far to come up >> with >> >> a >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> example >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> for a iconified design building a writing and a font design. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Have a look at those two sites (scroll to bottom on both) >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://devoxx.be/#/sponsors >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gopivotal.com/ >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> There a good bunch of logos, both of companies and open >> source >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> projects, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> that look cool, clean and modern, yet timeless. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> If you want to follow newest hipster logo trends, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://gruntjs.com/ >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> might be a source for inspiration. Nevertheless, this seems >> to >> >> be >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> not >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> so >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> much on the timeless side... >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> That said and reviewed many times during last week, I'm >> more in >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> favor >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> for the combination of an icon symbol combined with with a >> >> clean >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> and >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> modern typographic font for the brand name Struts. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Stepping back a bit when viewing the proposed designs, what >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> strikes me >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> most is that iconified graphic elements are used to >> construct a >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> font. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> How does this font look like? It does not seem to follow >> all of >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> well >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> established rules for font design. If you color it >> completely >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> black >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> from >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the outline and reduce it to the font shape, it does not >> look >> >> like >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> very >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "clean" typography, even a bit clunky. But besides (or even >> >> more >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> than?) >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> graphical details and tasteful colouring, the shape makes >> the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> first >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> impression to a viewer. I doubt that it is a good idea to >> bind >> >> the >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> font >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> shape of a writing to iconified graphics as building >> blocks, as >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> this >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> limits how elaborate the typographic shape itself will look >> >> like. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Designing a font is a science by itself, you can find tons >> of >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> information on the web. Just for some reading giving an >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> impression: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://designshack.net/articles/typography/8-rules- >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> for-creating-effective-typography/ >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> As for me, this breaks down to: I have tried to like it, but >> - >> >> as >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> proposed so far - I don't. This is my honest personal view. >> >> And I >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> also >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> think it is a great starting point to go into design >> >> iteration. It >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> teases me to think, it gives the inspiration someone like me >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> needs to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> imagine and maybe phrase what he thinks the final logo (or a >> >> next >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> step) >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> should look like. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Earlier in this discussion, Dave came up with an interesting >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Google >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> search for an isolated logo icon to maybe be combined with a >> >> clean >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> brand >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> writing: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> https://www.google.com/search?q=steampunk+box+truss&safe=on&; >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> espv=210&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei= >> >> >>>>>>>>> HjuCUq3NCYrnsATbvYLIBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1478&bih=1042# >> >> >>>>>>>>> es_sm=91&espv=210&q=box+truss&safe=off&tbm=isch >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Those two for example could be excellent templates for an >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> iconified >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> graphic: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&; >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=eQDpP6WpnMmoXM:&imgrefurl= >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www. >> >> >>>>>>>>> germanlightproducts.com/products/16-inch-square-box- >> >> >>>>>>>>> truss-f44/&docid= >> >> >>>>>>>>> yGLxIpnpCserbM&imgurl=http://www.germanlightproducts.com/ >> >> >>>>>>>>> wp-content/uploads/2013/01/F44Box_0.jpg&w=1024&h=768&ei= >> >> >>>>>>>>> zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:73,s:0,i:305& >> >> >>>>>>>>> iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=176&tbnw=236&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=155&ty=76 >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&; >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=rGzeKbh__BY3LM:&imgrefurl= >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www. >> >> >>>>>>>>> brownswelding.com.au/truss500/&docid=-uk8Vty_qJyznM&imgurl= >> >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.brownswelding.com.au/truss500/images/500box6way. >> >> >>>>>>>>> jpg&w=200&h=200&ei=zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1& >> >> >>>>>>>>> ved=1t:3588,r:78,s:0,i:320&iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=160&tbnw= >> >> >>>>>>>>> 160&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=60&ty=50 >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Also a very reduced and iconified bridge could be interesting >> >> for >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> a >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logo >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> icon. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I suck badly at crafting graphics, but if time permits I'll >> >> give >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> it a >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> try to express my thoughts in some graphical draft. But >> >> basically >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> my >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> overall thoughts go into a direction like the Typesafe or >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hazelcast >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> logos. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> As far as I understood it, this contribution is backed by >> Lukasz >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> company. I am very grateful >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> for the huge effort they already put into this. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Instead of discussing completely new approaches and ideas >> which >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> might >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> lead to even more discussion, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> we all should answer these two question: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Can you live with the proposal logo? >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> just me: actually no, but it's a great start :) >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> 2) If yes, do you prefer the dark or the bright version? >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> My answer to 1) is YES!!!! >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> My answer to 2) I LOVE BOTH >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Christian >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Łukasz >> >> 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