On 7 Mar 2014, at 10:46 pm, Dave Newton <davelnew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Honestly, if it comes down to it, I'm willing to throw some money at > 99designs to get it done right. > > Another issue I had was the really thin whitespace lines in the logo; that > can make some printing a bit trickier. > > Because we all want t-shirts and tattoos, right? > > Right? > > Anyone? Sure, why not. > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:42 AM, i...@flyingfischer.ch <i...@flyingfischer.ch >> wrote: > >> Voltaire and Oswald seem to be condensed fonts, while Alegreya Sans SC and >> Alef and others aren't. >> >> I always feel typography is a very difficult job and needs to be seen in >> the given case. >> >> Maybe the graphic guy could make some suggestions, choosing the >> appropriate kind of font for the situation? >> >> Markus >> >> Am 07.03.2014 12:08, schrieb Matthew Panetta: >> >>> I like Roboto and Inconsolata. Also found Voltaire and Oswald. >>> >>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection: >>> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Viga|Audiowide|Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Roboto|Nobile| >>> Inconsolata|Voltaire|Oswald<https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CViga%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata%7CVoltaire%7COswald> >>> >>> On 7 Mar 2014, at 6:05 pm, Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>> Maybe some of these >>>> >>>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection: >>>> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Flamenco|Cambo|Esteban|Audiowide| >>>> Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Prosto+One|Varela+Round|Roboto|Nobile|Inconsolata<https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CFlamenco%7CCambo%7CEsteban%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CProsto+One%7CVarela+Round%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata> >>>> >>>> 2014-03-07 7:47 GMT+01:00 Matthew Panetta <matt...@panetta.id.au>: >>>> >>>>> My thoughts exactly. Needs a different font. >>>>> On 07/03/2014 5:41 pm, "i...@flyingfischer.ch" <i...@flyingfischer.ch> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The Logo looks nice. Has a slight reference to the art work of M.C. >>>>>> Escher. Great work. >>>>>> >>>>>> Blue is always nice ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> The typography however gives the whole logo a not too modern touch, >>>>>> because it uses letters with serifs. I wonder if this will match nicely >>>>>> with the serif free home page of struts 2? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards >>>>>> Markus Fischer >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 07.03.2014 06:50, schrieb Lukasz Lenart: >>>>>> >>>>>> Link if attachment is missing >>>>>>> https://copy.com/MXrnIYz8KajY >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2014-03-07 0:01 GMT+01:00 Chris Pratt <thechrispr...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I must have missed it, I don't see anything?? >>>>>>>> (*Chris*) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Lukasz Lenart < >>>>>>>> lukaszlen...@apache.org> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Work continues, 3rd version of logo, wdyt? I think dark-blue version >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> would be also nice. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2013-11-26 8:59 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have passed your comment to designer - anyway we have time and we >>>>>>>>>> can always start over when the first logo won't be good enough ;-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Reagrds >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Łukasz >>>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/24 Rene Gielen <rene.gie...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Am 20.11.13 14:52, schrieb Christian Grobmeier: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 16:51, Lukasz Lenart wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/12 Cameron Morris <cmor...@part.net>: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I love the look of steampunk and rickety old bridges, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sends >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the wrong message for a project fighting the perception of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> legacy. I'd say the more modern looking the better. However, some >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more modern bridges look so space age it might be hard to tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> are bridges if they are made into a small icon. Perhaps some of >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> might spark an idea: http://www.flickr.com/search/? >>>>>>>>>> q=modern%20bridge >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm... you know everything new someday will be old anyway ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>> rather say let's focus on having cool logo and not the message >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> sends ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on the cool logo NOW instead of wasting more time. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Its always funny with us devs. We have a crap logo for years. >>>>>>>>>>>> Somebody shows up and contributes a fantastic logo (compared to >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> other one). >>>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly all devs become designers and social media >>>>>>>>>>>> communicators. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You are right with our out-of-style old logo, and that things >>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>> change here. But why exactly are we in such a hurry? Going too >>>>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> an old logo does not mean that a new logo should replace the old >>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> soon as it is just "better". IMHO we would want to replace it with >>>>>>>>>>> something that satisfies us for years. It should be cool and >>>>>>>>>>> catchy >>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>> and in five years. "Fantastic compared to the other one" is IMO >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> enough. Do we want old-time users to be surprised to find better >>>>>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>>>> now, or do we want anyone stumbling over our site or a >>>>>>>>>>> Zeroturnaround >>>>>>>>>>> web frameworks survey to think "hey man, nice logo!"? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a social media designer, and for that reason I need to >>>>>>>>>>> interact >>>>>>>>>>> with a designer. I need inspiration and suggestions to formulate >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> turn >>>>>>>>>>> which directions to go for the next iteration. Since I'm not a >>>>>>>>>>> designer, >>>>>>>>>>> I'm for sure too lame with my own cool logo proposal. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Over all the years I was involved with design tasks, I've seen >>>>>>>>>>> design >>>>>>>>>>> emerge after some iterations in a process similar to what I >>>>>>>>>>> outlined >>>>>>>>>>> above. I have never ever experienced being given a first proposal >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> makes it directly to production. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Personally I am super-happy that we have such a great proposal. >>>>>>>>>>>> And if we don't have another option (one of us devs IS a >>>>>>>>>>>> designer AND >>>>>>>>>>>> does some work) >>>>>>>>>>>> we should definitely consider it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm super happy with the work being done, and I like some of >>>>>>>>>>> the ideas >>>>>>>>>>> incorporated in the first proposals. I like the fact that someone >>>>>>>>>>> steps >>>>>>>>>>> up and is kind enough to donate work and creativity, and I am >>>>>>>>>>> super >>>>>>>>>>> thankful for that - and, to be honest, it makes me bit shy to >>>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>>> too much criticism, especially since it is not my profession the >>>>>>>>>>> actual >>>>>>>>>>> work is all about. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I went back and forth many times the last two weeks to think and >>>>>>>>>>> re-think if I like the logo, how it might be seen, and what well >>>>>>>>>>> founded >>>>>>>>>>> criticism I could give. In my review I tried to both incorporate >>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> as a non-professional know about design, as well as what I as a >>>>>>>>>>> "professional design recipient" (read: consumer) feel when I see >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> logo. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Some of my thoughts: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Most common to me seems a combination of a dedicated logo icon >>>>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>>>> clean writing for the brand, or just an elaborate writing without >>>>>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>>>> icon. From time to time you see some font gimmickry to make a pure >>>>>>>>>>> writing recognizable. But I have failed so far to come up with a >>>>>>>>>>> example >>>>>>>>>>> for a iconified design building a writing and a font design. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Have a look at those two sites (scroll to bottom on both) >>>>>>>>>>> http://devoxx.be/#/sponsors >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gopivotal.com/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There a good bunch of logos, both of companies and open source >>>>>>>>>>> projects, >>>>>>>>>>> that look cool, clean and modern, yet timeless. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you want to follow newest hipster logo trends, >>>>>>>>>>> http://gruntjs.com/ >>>>>>>>>>> might be a source for inspiration. Nevertheless, this seems to be >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>> much on the timeless side... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That said and reviewed many times during last week, I'm more in >>>>>>>>>>> favor >>>>>>>>>>> for the combination of an icon symbol combined with with a clean >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> modern typographic font for the brand name Struts. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Stepping back a bit when viewing the proposed designs, what >>>>>>>>>>> strikes me >>>>>>>>>>> most is that iconified graphic elements are used to construct a >>>>>>>>>>> font. >>>>>>>>>>> How does this font look like? It does not seem to follow all of >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>> established rules for font design. If you color it completely >>>>>>>>>>> black >>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>> the outline and reduce it to the font shape, it does not look like >>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>> "clean" typography, even a bit clunky. But besides (or even more >>>>>>>>>>> than?) >>>>>>>>>>> graphical details and tasteful colouring, the shape makes the >>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>> impression to a viewer. I doubt that it is a good idea to bind the >>>>>>>>>>> font >>>>>>>>>>> shape of a writing to iconified graphics as building blocks, as >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> limits how elaborate the typographic shape itself will look like. >>>>>>>>>>> Designing a font is a science by itself, you can find tons of >>>>>>>>>>> information on the web. Just for some reading giving an >>>>>>>>>>> impression: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://designshack.net/articles/typography/8-rules- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> for-creating-effective-typography/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As for me, this breaks down to: I have tried to like it, but - as >>>>>>>>>>> proposed so far - I don't. This is my honest personal view. And I >>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>> think it is a great starting point to go into design iteration. It >>>>>>>>>>> teases me to think, it gives the inspiration someone like me >>>>>>>>>>> needs to >>>>>>>>>>> imagine and maybe phrase what he thinks the final logo (or a next >>>>>>>>>>> step) >>>>>>>>>>> should look like. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Earlier in this discussion, Dave came up with an interesting >>>>>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>>>>> search for an isolated logo icon to maybe be combined with a clean >>>>>>>>>>> brand >>>>>>>>>>> writing: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=steampunk+box+truss&safe=on&; >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> espv=210&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei= >>>>>>>>> HjuCUq3NCYrnsATbvYLIBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1478&bih=1042# >>>>>>>>> es_sm=91&espv=210&q=box+truss&safe=off&tbm=isch >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Those two for example could be excellent templates for an >>>>>>>>>>> iconified >>>>>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>>>> graphic: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&; >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=eQDpP6WpnMmoXM:&imgrefurl= >>>>>>>>> http://www. >>>>>>>>> germanlightproducts.com/products/16-inch-square-box- >>>>>>>>> truss-f44/&docid= >>>>>>>>> yGLxIpnpCserbM&imgurl=http://www.germanlightproducts.com/ >>>>>>>>> wp-content/uploads/2013/01/F44Box_0.jpg&w=1024&h=768&ei= >>>>>>>>> zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:73,s:0,i:305& >>>>>>>>> iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=176&tbnw=236&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=155&ty=76 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&; >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=rGzeKbh__BY3LM:&imgrefurl= >>>>>>>>> http://www. >>>>>>>>> brownswelding.com.au/truss500/&docid=-uk8Vty_qJyznM&imgurl= >>>>>>>>> http://www.brownswelding.com.au/truss500/images/500box6way. >>>>>>>>> jpg&w=200&h=200&ei=zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1& >>>>>>>>> ved=1t:3588,r:78,s:0,i:320&iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=160&tbnw= >>>>>>>>> 160&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=60&ty=50 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Also a very reduced and iconified bridge could be interesting for >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>>>> icon. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I suck badly at crafting graphics, but if time permits I'll give >>>>>>>>>>> it a >>>>>>>>>>> try to express my thoughts in some graphical draft. But basically >>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>> overall thoughts go into a direction like the Typesafe or >>>>>>>>>>> Hazelcast >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> logos. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As far as I understood it, this contribution is backed by Lukasz >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> company. I am very grateful >>>>>>>>>>>> for the huge effort they already put into this. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Instead of discussing completely new approaches and ideas which >>>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> lead to even more discussion, >>>>>>>>>>>> we all should answer these two question: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Can you live with the proposal logo? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> just me: actually no, but it's a great start :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2) If yes, do you prefer the dark or the bright version? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My answer to 1) is YES!!!! >>>>>>>>>>>> My answer to 2) I LOVE BOTH >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Łukasz >>>>>>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de >>>>>>>>>>>> @grobmeier >>>>>>>>>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> René Gielen >>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/rgielen >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Łukasz >>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> --------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Łukasz >>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> >> > > > -- > e: davelnew...@gmail.com > m: 908-380-8699 > s: davelnewton_skype > t: @dave_newton <https://twitter.com/dave_newton> > b: Bucky Bits <http://buckybits.blogspot.com/> > g: davelnewton <https://github.com/davelnewton> > so: Dave Newton <http://stackoverflow.com/users/438992/dave-newton>
