Honestly, if it comes down to it, I'm willing to throw some money at 99designs to get it done right.
Another issue I had was the really thin whitespace lines in the logo; that can make some printing a bit trickier. Because we all want t-shirts and tattoos, right? Right? Anyone? On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:42 AM, i...@flyingfischer.ch <i...@flyingfischer.ch > wrote: > Voltaire and Oswald seem to be condensed fonts, while Alegreya Sans SC and > Alef and others aren't. > > I always feel typography is a very difficult job and needs to be seen in > the given case. > > Maybe the graphic guy could make some suggestions, choosing the > appropriate kind of font for the situation? > > Markus > > Am 07.03.2014 12:08, schrieb Matthew Panetta: > >> I like Roboto and Inconsolata. Also found Voltaire and Oswald. >> >> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection: >> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Viga|Audiowide|Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Roboto|Nobile| >> Inconsolata|Voltaire|Oswald<https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CViga%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata%7CVoltaire%7COswald> >> >> On 7 Mar 2014, at 6:05 pm, Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> Maybe some of these >>> >>> https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection: >>> Alegreya+Sans+SC|Flamenco|Cambo|Esteban|Audiowide| >>> Carrois+Gothic+SC|Alef|Prosto+One|Varela+Round|Roboto|Nobile|Inconsolata<https://www.google.com/fonts#ReviewPlace:refine/Collection:Alegreya+Sans+SC%7CFlamenco%7CCambo%7CEsteban%7CAudiowide%7CCarrois+Gothic+SC%7CAlef%7CProsto+One%7CVarela+Round%7CRoboto%7CNobile%7CInconsolata> >>> >>> 2014-03-07 7:47 GMT+01:00 Matthew Panetta <matt...@panetta.id.au>: >>> >>>> My thoughts exactly. Needs a different font. >>>> On 07/03/2014 5:41 pm, "i...@flyingfischer.ch" <i...@flyingfischer.ch> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The Logo looks nice. Has a slight reference to the art work of M.C. >>>>> Escher. Great work. >>>>> >>>>> Blue is always nice ;-) >>>>> >>>>> The typography however gives the whole logo a not too modern touch, >>>>> because it uses letters with serifs. I wonder if this will match nicely >>>>> with the serif free home page of struts 2? >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> Markus Fischer >>>>> >>>>> Am 07.03.2014 06:50, schrieb Lukasz Lenart: >>>>> >>>>> Link if attachment is missing >>>>>> https://copy.com/MXrnIYz8KajY >>>>>> >>>>>> 2014-03-07 0:01 GMT+01:00 Chris Pratt <thechrispr...@gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>> I must have missed it, I don't see anything?? >>>>>>> (*Chris*) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Lukasz Lenart < >>>>>>> lukaszlen...@apache.org> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Work continues, 3rd version of logo, wdyt? I think dark-blue version >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> would be also nice. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2013-11-26 8:59 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have passed your comment to designer - anyway we have time and we >>>>>>>>> can always start over when the first logo won't be good enough ;-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Reagrds >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Łukasz >>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2013/11/24 Rene Gielen <rene.gie...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am 20.11.13 14:52, schrieb Christian Grobmeier: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 16:51, Lukasz Lenart wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2013/11/12 Cameron Morris <cmor...@part.net>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I love the look of steampunk and rickety old bridges, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> sends >>>>>>>>>>>>> the wrong message for a project fighting the perception of >>>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> legacy. I'd say the more modern looking the better. However, some >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> more modern bridges look so space age it might be hard to tell >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> are bridges if they are made into a small icon. Perhaps some of >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> might spark an idea: http://www.flickr.com/search/? >>>>>>>>> q=modern%20bridge >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm... you know everything new someday will be old anyway ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>>>>> rather say let's focus on having cool logo and not the message >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> sends ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> +1 on the cool logo NOW instead of wasting more time. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Its always funny with us devs. We have a crap logo for years. >>>>>>>>>>> Somebody shows up and contributes a fantastic logo (compared to >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> other one). >>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly all devs become designers and social media >>>>>>>>>>> communicators. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You are right with our out-of-style old logo, and that things >>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>> change here. But why exactly are we in such a hurry? Going too >>>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> an old logo does not mean that a new logo should replace the old >>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> soon as it is just "better". IMHO we would want to replace it with >>>>>>>>>> something that satisfies us for years. It should be cool and >>>>>>>>>> catchy >>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>> and in five years. "Fantastic compared to the other one" is IMO >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> enough. Do we want old-time users to be surprised to find better >>>>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>>> now, or do we want anyone stumbling over our site or a >>>>>>>>>> Zeroturnaround >>>>>>>>>> web frameworks survey to think "hey man, nice logo!"? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not a social media designer, and for that reason I need to >>>>>>>>>> interact >>>>>>>>>> with a designer. I need inspiration and suggestions to formulate >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> turn >>>>>>>>>> which directions to go for the next iteration. Since I'm not a >>>>>>>>>> designer, >>>>>>>>>> I'm for sure too lame with my own cool logo proposal. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Over all the years I was involved with design tasks, I've seen >>>>>>>>>> design >>>>>>>>>> emerge after some iterations in a process similar to what I >>>>>>>>>> outlined >>>>>>>>>> above. I have never ever experienced being given a first proposal >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> makes it directly to production. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Personally I am super-happy that we have such a great proposal. >>>>>>>>>>> And if we don't have another option (one of us devs IS a >>>>>>>>>>> designer AND >>>>>>>>>>> does some work) >>>>>>>>>>> we should definitely consider it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm super happy with the work being done, and I like some of >>>>>>>>>> the ideas >>>>>>>>>> incorporated in the first proposals. I like the fact that someone >>>>>>>>>> steps >>>>>>>>>> up and is kind enough to donate work and creativity, and I am >>>>>>>>>> super >>>>>>>>>> thankful for that - and, to be honest, it makes me bit shy to >>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>> too much criticism, especially since it is not my profession the >>>>>>>>>> actual >>>>>>>>>> work is all about. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I went back and forth many times the last two weeks to think and >>>>>>>>>> re-think if I like the logo, how it might be seen, and what well >>>>>>>>>> founded >>>>>>>>>> criticism I could give. In my review I tried to both incorporate >>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> as a non-professional know about design, as well as what I as a >>>>>>>>>> "professional design recipient" (read: consumer) feel when I see >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> logo. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some of my thoughts: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Most common to me seems a combination of a dedicated logo icon >>>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>>> clean writing for the brand, or just an elaborate writing without >>>>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>>> icon. From time to time you see some font gimmickry to make a pure >>>>>>>>>> writing recognizable. But I have failed so far to come up with a >>>>>>>>>> example >>>>>>>>>> for a iconified design building a writing and a font design. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Have a look at those two sites (scroll to bottom on both) >>>>>>>>>> http://devoxx.be/#/sponsors >>>>>>>>>> http://www.gopivotal.com/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There a good bunch of logos, both of companies and open source >>>>>>>>>> projects, >>>>>>>>>> that look cool, clean and modern, yet timeless. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you want to follow newest hipster logo trends, >>>>>>>>>> http://gruntjs.com/ >>>>>>>>>> might be a source for inspiration. Nevertheless, this seems to be >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>> much on the timeless side... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That said and reviewed many times during last week, I'm more in >>>>>>>>>> favor >>>>>>>>>> for the combination of an icon symbol combined with with a clean >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> modern typographic font for the brand name Struts. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Stepping back a bit when viewing the proposed designs, what >>>>>>>>>> strikes me >>>>>>>>>> most is that iconified graphic elements are used to construct a >>>>>>>>>> font. >>>>>>>>>> How does this font look like? It does not seem to follow all of >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>> established rules for font design. If you color it completely >>>>>>>>>> black >>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>> the outline and reduce it to the font shape, it does not look like >>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>> "clean" typography, even a bit clunky. But besides (or even more >>>>>>>>>> than?) >>>>>>>>>> graphical details and tasteful colouring, the shape makes the >>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>> impression to a viewer. I doubt that it is a good idea to bind the >>>>>>>>>> font >>>>>>>>>> shape of a writing to iconified graphics as building blocks, as >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> limits how elaborate the typographic shape itself will look like. >>>>>>>>>> Designing a font is a science by itself, you can find tons of >>>>>>>>>> information on the web. Just for some reading giving an >>>>>>>>>> impression: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://designshack.net/articles/typography/8-rules- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for-creating-effective-typography/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As for me, this breaks down to: I have tried to like it, but - as >>>>>>>>>> proposed so far - I don't. This is my honest personal view. And I >>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>> think it is a great starting point to go into design iteration. It >>>>>>>>>> teases me to think, it gives the inspiration someone like me >>>>>>>>>> needs to >>>>>>>>>> imagine and maybe phrase what he thinks the final logo (or a next >>>>>>>>>> step) >>>>>>>>>> should look like. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Earlier in this discussion, Dave came up with an interesting >>>>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>>>> search for an isolated logo icon to maybe be combined with a clean >>>>>>>>>> brand >>>>>>>>>> writing: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=steampunk+box+truss&safe=on&; >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> espv=210&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei= >>>>>>>> HjuCUq3NCYrnsATbvYLIBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1478&bih=1042# >>>>>>>> es_sm=91&espv=210&q=box+truss&safe=off&tbm=isch >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Those two for example could be excellent templates for an >>>>>>>>>> iconified >>>>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>>> graphic: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&; >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=eQDpP6WpnMmoXM:&imgrefurl= >>>>>>>> http://www. >>>>>>>> germanlightproducts.com/products/16-inch-square-box- >>>>>>>> truss-f44/&docid= >>>>>>>> yGLxIpnpCserbM&imgurl=http://www.germanlightproducts.com/ >>>>>>>> wp-content/uploads/2013/01/F44Box_0.jpg&w=1024&h=768&ei= >>>>>>>> zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:73,s:0,i:305& >>>>>>>> iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=176&tbnw=236&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=155&ty=76 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&; >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=rGzeKbh__BY3LM:&imgrefurl= >>>>>>>> http://www. >>>>>>>> brownswelding.com.au/truss500/&docid=-uk8Vty_qJyznM&imgurl= >>>>>>>> http://www.brownswelding.com.au/truss500/images/500box6way. >>>>>>>> jpg&w=200&h=200&ei=zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1& >>>>>>>> ved=1t:3588,r:78,s:0,i:320&iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=160&tbnw= >>>>>>>> 160&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=60&ty=50 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also a very reduced and iconified bridge could be interesting for >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>>> icon. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I suck badly at crafting graphics, but if time permits I'll give >>>>>>>>>> it a >>>>>>>>>> try to express my thoughts in some graphical draft. But basically >>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>> overall thoughts go into a direction like the Typesafe or >>>>>>>>>> Hazelcast >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> logos. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As far as I understood it, this contribution is backed by Lukasz >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> company. I am very grateful >>>>>>>>>>> for the huge effort they already put into this. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Instead of discussing completely new approaches and ideas which >>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> lead to even more discussion, >>>>>>>>>>> we all should answer these two question: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1) Can you live with the proposal logo? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> just me: actually no, but it's a great start :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2) If yes, do you prefer the dark or the bright version? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My answer to 1) is YES!!!! >>>>>>>>>>> My answer to 2) I LOVE BOTH >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Łukasz >>>>>>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de >>>>>>>>>>> @grobmeier >>>>>>>>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> René Gielen >>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/rgielen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Łukasz >>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> --------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> --------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Łukasz >>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org > > -- e: davelnew...@gmail.com m: 908-380-8699 s: davelnewton_skype t: @dave_newton <https://twitter.com/dave_newton> b: Bucky Bits <http://buckybits.blogspot.com/> g: davelnewton <https://github.com/davelnewton> so: Dave Newton <http://stackoverflow.com/users/438992/dave-newton>
