Users would install a graph into gremlin server bin/gremlin-server.sh -i com.provider provider-db 1.0.0
then all the APIs tied to that library would be available. A provider could make things even nicer by including a plugin that gremlin server could recognize that would auto-import classes for use and otherwise initialize the environment. On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 7:00 AM, pieter-gmail <pieter.mar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I am talking about optimizations/features that are not part of > TinkerPop's api. > > I recently tried BlazeGraph after all the talk about how fast it is. > Turns out it is slow, very slow. > https://github.com/blazegraph/tinkerpop3/issues/3 > Turns out they have a custom bulk load api, how would a client via > GremlinServer use that? > > Sqlg has similar optimizations/features outside TinkerPop. > Titan has a whole world of types and indexes and and and. > > I reckon most databases will have such "features" > > If a client only accesses a graph via GremlinServer how would they use > such optimizations? > Perhaps via some plugin framework? > > Thanks > Pieter > > On 23/03/2016 12:33, Stephen Mallette wrote: > > Dylan, thanks for your thoughts here. The Gremlin Server docs are really > > just for reference at this point. As you've pointed out, we could do more > > to improve people's understanding of that part of the stack. I've been > > hesitant in writing more documentation in this area as I've been waiting > > for more of the stack to settle and better implementations patterns to > > emerge. I think that started with RemoteGraph which we will have in 3.2.x > > as that's opened up a lot of new ideas both on and off the JVM as we > > consider ways to stop doing the classic SQL-ish way of passing long > strings > > to a database server. I don't know that we need a Gremlin Server specific > > site - but maybe i'm not sure of what you have in mind. I've been > thinking > > that the time is coming where we will want to have a solid Gremlin Server > > tutorial though (perhaps several with different connectivity patterns for > > different languages). ?? > > > > Pieter, you don't lose any backend optimizations with Gremlin Server. The > > same Traversal Strategies that would fire in embedded mode would fire in > > Gremlin Server. > > > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 3:14 PM, pieter-gmail <pieter.mar...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> What I would add to the gist is the latency penalty. As a java guy and > >> db guy its the bane off my live, OO devolves into query strings because > >> of latency and eventually one feels like one would be better of with > >> 60's tech writing stored procedures and PLSQL. > >> > >> Anther one is the fact that dbs compete in the space where they do not > >> follow the specification. Does Gremlin Server make one loose any > >> particular backends optimizations? > >> > >> I have never used Gremlin Server so perhaps my concerns are moot, but if > >> they are on a website like you propose I'd read it. > >> > >> Cheers > >> Pieter > >> > >> On 22/03/2016 20:31, Dylan Millikin wrote: > >>> Hey guys, > >>> > >>> Coming from a non-java background I've been thinking about what steps > >> could > >>> be taken to improve the project's reach in these communities. As time > has > >>> gone by I've added some thoughts to the following gist (they are just > >>> thoughts at this point, some may be unrelated or simply not possible) : > >>> https://gist.github.com/PommeVerte/2fc463be9c418b465456 > >>> > >>> The one I want to talk about in this email is about the benefits of > >> having > >>> a Gremlin server dedicated space on the website (ideally with it's own > >> URL > >>> for clarity and SEO purposes, though I'm unsure what Apache guidelines > >> are > >>> here). > >>> > >>> Right now if I'm new to graph *databases* (emphasis) and am looking to > >> get > >>> started, the TinkerPop website is not inviting. There's a lot of > >>> information about the stack (purposfuly so) and I'm instantly lost in a > >>> bunch of information I can't relate to. So I just go to Neo4J and learn > >>> cypher ;p > >>> > >>> I understand that Gremlin server is a commodity for implementors and > not > >> an > >>> actual database. But I think there's value in promoting it as one. > Typing > >>> "graph database" in google should bring Gremlin Server up, if only to > >> make > >>> people aware that they have the option of using it with the DB of their > >>> choice. > >>> > >>> I wanted to reach out and hear what your thoughts on the subject were. > >> Also > >>> perhaps this is within the scope of "tinkerland" and is already being > >> taken > >>> care of. I wouldn't know at this stage. > >>> > >> > >
