Ok nice,
Thanks
Pieter
On 23/03/2016 13:10, Stephen Mallette wrote:
> Users would install a graph into gremlin server
>
> bin/gremlin-server.sh -i com.provider provider-db 1.0.0
>
> then all the APIs tied to that library would be available. A provider could
> make things even nicer by including a plugin that gremlin server could
> recognize that would auto-import classes for use and otherwise initialize
> the environment.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 7:00 AM, pieter-gmail <pieter.mar...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am talking about optimizations/features that are not part of
>> TinkerPop's api.
>>
>> I recently tried BlazeGraph after all the talk about how fast it is.
>> Turns out it is slow, very slow.
>> https://github.com/blazegraph/tinkerpop3/issues/3
>> Turns out they have a custom bulk load api, how would a client via
>> GremlinServer use that?
>>
>> Sqlg has similar optimizations/features outside TinkerPop.
>> Titan has a whole world of types and indexes and and and.
>>
>> I reckon most databases will have such "features"
>>
>> If a client only accesses a graph via GremlinServer how would they use
>> such optimizations?
>> Perhaps via some plugin framework?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Pieter
>>
>> On 23/03/2016 12:33, Stephen Mallette wrote:
>>> Dylan, thanks for your thoughts here. The Gremlin Server docs are really
>>> just for reference at this point. As you've pointed out, we could do more
>>> to improve people's understanding of that part of the stack. I've been
>>> hesitant in writing more documentation in this area as I've been waiting
>>> for more of the stack to settle and better implementations patterns to
>>> emerge. I think that started with RemoteGraph which we will have in 3.2.x
>>> as that's opened up a lot of new ideas both on and off the JVM as we
>>> consider ways to stop doing the classic SQL-ish way of passing long
>> strings
>>> to a database server. I don't know that we need a Gremlin Server specific
>>> site - but maybe i'm not sure of what you have in mind. I've been
>> thinking
>>> that the time is coming where we will want to have a solid Gremlin Server
>>> tutorial though (perhaps several with different connectivity patterns for
>>> different languages). ??
>>>
>>> Pieter, you don't lose any backend optimizations with Gremlin Server. The
>>> same Traversal Strategies that would fire in embedded mode would fire in
>>> Gremlin Server.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 3:14 PM, pieter-gmail <pieter.mar...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> What I would add to the gist is the latency penalty. As a java guy and
>>>> db guy its the bane off my live, OO devolves into query strings because
>>>> of latency and eventually one feels like one would be better of with
>>>> 60's tech writing stored procedures and PLSQL.
>>>>
>>>> Anther one is the fact that dbs compete in the space where they do not
>>>> follow the specification. Does Gremlin Server make one loose any
>>>> particular backends optimizations?
>>>>
>>>> I have never used Gremlin Server so perhaps my concerns are moot, but if
>>>> they are on a website like you propose I'd read it.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Pieter
>>>>
>>>> On 22/03/2016 20:31, Dylan Millikin wrote:
>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> Coming from a non-java background I've been thinking about what steps
>>>> could
>>>>> be taken to improve the project's reach in these communities. As time
>> has
>>>>> gone by I've added some thoughts to the following gist (they are just
>>>>> thoughts at this point, some may be unrelated or simply not possible) :
>>>>> https://gist.github.com/PommeVerte/2fc463be9c418b465456
>>>>>
>>>>> The one I want to talk about in this email is about the benefits of
>>>> having
>>>>> a Gremlin server dedicated space on the website (ideally with it's own
>>>> URL
>>>>> for clarity and SEO purposes, though I'm unsure what Apache guidelines
>>>> are
>>>>> here).
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now if I'm new to graph *databases* (emphasis) and am looking to
>>>> get
>>>>> started, the TinkerPop website is not inviting. There's a lot of
>>>>> information about the stack (purposfuly so) and I'm instantly lost in a
>>>>> bunch of information I can't relate to. So I just go to Neo4J and learn
>>>>> cypher ;p
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand that Gremlin server is a commodity for implementors and
>> not
>>>> an
>>>>> actual database. But I think there's value in promoting it as one.
>> Typing
>>>>> "graph database" in google should bring Gremlin Server up, if only to
>>>> make
>>>>> people aware that they have the option of using it with the DB of their
>>>>> choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to reach out and hear what your thoughts on the subject were.
>>>> Also
>>>>> perhaps this is within the scope of "tinkerland" and is already being
>>>> taken
>>>>> care of. I wouldn't know at this stage.
>>>>>
>>
