On Mar 9, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Jo Lahaye|MMBase Foundation wrote:
I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I do not completely understand your point Daniel.
It is not the first time the Foundation is supporting a project. I have many
times said that we will try and help people or organizations that have an
idea that is in the general interest of MMBase. Of course I always add a few
obligations: the result MUST be open source (MPL) and available for
everyone.
The question is why don't they talk to the developers first like i did with my projects...
The package manager was developed as part of the MMBased project you ran,
when you were still at Submarine. There was a huge budget thanks to external
funding, Submarine, Kennisnet, VPRO.
All opensource is supported in one way by people with money since we also want to
eat. None of my projects was started by the companies you quote they where supported
by them. All of them where made avaliable to the community as soon as possible as a result
both the package manager and the mmbob have been in shared cvs for a long time open for
comments and within the rules shared for changes.
And the Foundation supported the
project. That didn't mean the Foundation was the initiator of the project,
nor checking any lines of code, nor telling you what to do. Just supporting
the initiative because I thougt it was (is) a good initiative.
Sure my aim is more at the ones starting this, why did they stop talking to the people who
develope (their peers) :
quote : We will (soon start to) work on a framework for workflow, versioning and some other functionalities.
The initiative comes from some end-users that have seen to much divergence in their applications and wil be
supported by some technical partners and the Foundation
If we want more developers then the 3 or 4 people who now commit to the core, the partners should stop making
so much code (and alot is programmed trust me) without sharing at the earliest stage possible.
The same goes for MMBob. Several organizations helped and/or spent money to
make this forum open source.
indeed helped as in pushed to make it go faster but it was and is something that is based on the MPL from
the start not at some stage in the game. Ive been very direct in allowing people to sponser me and others to
work on it (as is normal in opensource) but never talked about 'we' the sponsers of the project to have control its
the MPL in control.
Now I would like to support a project on workflow. A project that was
initiated by some users, because they don't want the divergency on crucial
CMS-functions to widen, as is the case now. That is not some-ones fault or
mistake, no one ever said that, it just happened over the years. In between
the 'functionality' of content management systems in general became more
clear. And also the commercial partners have an interest in offering some
more out of the box basic functionality as they have to compete with systems
that have.
Its not the task of us as long as i am involved with it to extend the product in ways
that commercial partners have a interest in offering as a extra ontop we want a better
product under the MPL license. If they share this view they should help us by explaining
to us why the developers community was not enough to get this party started. I am in no
way saying the foundation should not support where it can but it should be in a supporting
role to help projects that originate from within.
The Foundation represents many users and technical partners, so it would be
very strange if I would not support an initiative that is widely considered
to be necessary. The idea was to propose to the MMC to make this an MMBase
project.
Well sorry you feel you are under attack, If the techincal partners feel they only need to
be represented by the foundation they have problem. At best the foundation can support
us and them but its the commitors they should be talking to why the projects where stopped and
what mistakes we made that resulted in this.
By the way, I think it is a bit strange we are debating and (pre)voting even
before the plan is even seen. I think that should be the other way round.
Regards,
Jo.
Well maybe the above quote explained by you explained the reason for the reaction, I am not
voting on anything just wondering why they stopped talking to us and pleeding to them todo so
and use the developers as the platfiorm for development and not the foundation.
Daniel.
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