On Mar 9, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Daniel Ockeloen wrote:
On Mar 9, 2005, at 8:45 AM, Jo Lahaye|MMBase Foundation wrote:
However the answer is very simple and in the first lines of the mail you are
returning to me. We will (soon start to) work on a framework for workflow,
versioning and some other functionalities. The initiative comes from some
end-users that have seen to much divergence in their applications and wil be
supported by some technical partners and the Foundation. This will be a
project within the guidelines of MMBase. The MMC was informed, I've stated
this several times and Hessel Rosbergen explained another time on the
developersmeeting at Ordina (You might have missed that one Erik).
Why didn't these parties use the normal structure we have in place, flowcontrol was discussed several
times but they never formed a group. Also the mmc doesn't need to be informed its they who start a project
when asked and agree on. I don't mind the foundation helping setting up things it should not do (development) but with
all the discussion we are having on how to grow the developers community and how to be more open its us
(the developers) who need to learn from the mistakes we made in the past and this is not helping us in learning
why they didn't follow the normal route.
Flowcontrol is a good example, the parties involved know there are mixed feelings that _need_ to be hashed out by
the commitors these issues won't go away by regrouping in a smaller setting.
Changes are you will gain negative votes once votes are asked for.
Ive been following the patent wars of late and it seems veto'ing to make sure our normal way of working doesn't get confused is the
in thing today :).
It would be helpful for these parties to help us define a new way of working with eachother something nearly all the commitors are trying
todo by redesigning ourselfs (and its costing us alot of private time i might add) instead of seperating themselfs this way. Might i remind the
foundation that to this date non of these sub-group deals have resulted it code added to the cvs we currently hold.
If these is anything i have personally learned its better to make alot of small steps with the community than trying to make several large steps by
yourself. frameworks need to evolve inside 'us' not presented to us (and yes i do hint at the packagemanager, something i have been fighting myself over
with myself for more than a year now).
I hope the partners involved reconsider opening the discussion also with us the developers, the one creating the product.
Greetings,
Daniel Ockeloen.
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