On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 09:40:48AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > Toad seems to be talking about the JDK license - which is not the same > as the JRE license. I still (having read both Toad's email and the > license) don't see what the problem is.
No, I am talking about the license that is presented when you attempt to download the JRE. > > If there is real doubt I can email someone at Sun to find out - let's > not rely on amature lawyering. Amazingly, we are actually capable of reading reasonably plain English text. > > Ian. Go to http://java.sun.com/ Click on Downloads to go to http://java.sun.com/downloads/ Click on Java 2 Platform, Standard Edition (J2SE) to go to http://java.sun.com/j2se/downloads.html Click on J2SE 1.4.2 to go to http://java.sun.com/j2se/downloads.html Click on the DOWNLOAD link at the intersection of "Windows Installation" and "JRE" to go to http://java.sun.com/webapps/survey/display Click "No thank you, continue". You get to the page http://java.sun.com/webapps/download/Display?BundleId=8577&Referer=http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html Read the supplemental license terms, about 3/4 of the way down. Paragraph B: License to Distribute Software. Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, including, but not limited to the Java Technology Restrictions of these Supplemental Terms, Sun grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license without fees to reproduce and distribute the Software, provided that (i) you distribute the Software complete and unmodified (unless otherwise specified in the applicable README file) and only bundled as part of, and for the sole purpose of running, your Programs, (ii) the Programs add significant and primary functionality to the Software, (iii) you do not distribute additional software intended to replace any component(s) of the Software (unless otherwise specified in the applicable README file), (iv) you do not remove or alter any proprietary legends or notices contained in the Software, (v) you only distribute the Software subject to a license agreement that protects Sun's interests consistent with the terms contained in this Agreement, and (vi) you agree to defend and indemnify Sun and its licensors from and against any damages, costs, liabilities, settlement amounts and/or expenses (including attorneys' fees) incurred in connection with any claim, lawsuit or action by any third party that arises or results from the use or distribution of any and all Programs and/or Software. In other words, we can bundle the JRE into an installer, but we cannot mirror the JRE as a single file. This is why there is no JRE package in debian. As everyone else who doesn't have some sort of ideological connection to the buggy proprietary piece of sh*t that is the Sun JVM. Not that I have a big problem with ideological connections to software, I just don't comprehend this particular one :) Zab once said that 70% (or was it 60%?) or transport/ is workarounds for Sun bugs, many of which are platform specific. 70% may be a slight exaggeration, but java.nio is massively buggy and closed source. We REALLY need GCJ working, people! -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.
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