On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 11:41:13AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> IF the smaller installer will automatically chain to the larger
> >> installer when a suitable JVM isn't installed, then I would support
> >> removing the link to the big one, although I still say it's a concession
> >> to the moron party, since somebody might conceivably know that they
> >> don't have a JVM, and want to save some time by downloading the big
> >> installer straight off.
> 
> And I completely agree.  I am working to make the smaller installer
> download and run the larger installer, but due to limitations in our
> installer system (the free NSIS system), this is proving to be a pain in
> the ass (unless the user is expected not to balk when entering the install
> location, etc, all over again when the second installer is run)
> 
> > How about the same 2 seperate installers, with links saying:
> > "Download this if you do not have a JVM, or are not sure"
> > "Download this if you KNOW you have a JVM"
> 
> Sounds good, but then...
> 
> > Just how much bigger does the JVM make the installer?
> 
> ... yeah.  The small installer is approx 50 something KB (and when the new
> icons go in it will be nearer 100KB).  The with-java installer is over
> 15MB...
> 
> There's one final alternative.  The freenet installer could automatically
> install and run Sun's JAVA Online Installer, which connects to SUN's
> website to conditionally download the JVM.  We would have one
> moderately-sizer installer (I guess about 400KB).  It's almost ideal,
> unless the users are expected to balk at the idea of our installer running
> a downloader than talks to Sun's servers.
> 
> If this is preceived as a Good Idea then I'll do it as soon as I can.  But
> in the meantime, until I figure how to work around the NSIS problems, the
> current situation really is the best we can offer.

It is a good idea IMHO.
> 
> d

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