On Saturday 13 June 2009 20:01:18 Evan Daniel wrote: > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Matthew > Toseland<[email protected]> wrote: > > Probably worth moving forward on this? Submenus are important, we have a > > lot of content and it's not well organised. And arguably the theme is > > better, and arguably even if it isn't better it's a change, and is no > > worse... > > > > On Monday 01 June 2009 01:24:24 Clément wrote: > >> Hello all, > >> > >> about three weeks ago I had a HCI webproject to do. > >> The subject was : improve an existant website (well, I'm not 100% sure > >> that it > >> was the subject, but that what we've done) > >> > >> I convinced the three other people who worked with me to work on the > >> freenet > >> website. It was a small project though (3 hours with a teacher in the > >> room, + > >> 3 hours max of personal time), so we didn't go far. > >> > >> But maybe some of what we've done could be usefull for the project. > >> > >> Here is the copy/paste of what we've done : > > > > I like the submenus. I think that is fairly universal. New layout is fine. > > I am not convinced about the way the site has been split up however. More > > comment below... > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Objective of the new website: > >> - To improve the existing navigation controls of freenetproject.org > >> - To improve it's structural presentation of information on home page > >> > >> > >> Aim of the web-site: > >> - to present the software product and provide support > >> - documentation and tools to users and developers to allow them to use and > >> contribute to the software. > >> > >> Problems: > >> The problems of current website http://freenetproject.org : > >> - irrelevant information for homepage: mainly financial status, we don't > >> know > >> what freenet is > >> - too many items in left navigation menu and not really well structured > >> - documentation section where subsections do not have direct hyperlinks - > >> its > >> confusing > >> > >> Solutions we proposed: > >> - simpler horizontal navigation bar with restructured tree > >> - new menu tree proposition: > >> > >> Home -- what is freenet a bit modified page > > > > This page looks good IMHO. > >> > >> About freenet: > >> what is freenet > >> philosophy > >> contributors > >> > >> Downloads: > >> freenet > >> tools > > > > Tools are unofficial and unsupported. Maybe download should be under home? > >> > >> Contribute: > >> papers -- research and stuff > >> developer > > > > I'm not convinced papers belong under Contribute. > >> > >> Donations > >> donate > >> sponsors > > > > Ok. But shouldn't both be under Contribute? > >> > >> Support & feedback > >> help --documentation and stuff > >> faq --move out from help section > >> mailing lists > >> suggestions > > > > What about the wiki? Shouldn't it be on the same level as the uservoice > > tracker? > > > > How about: > > > > Home > > - Home > > - What is Freenet? > > - Download Freenet > > > > About: > > - Philosophy > > - Papers > > - People > > > > Contribute: > > - Developer page > > - Donate > > - Sponsors > > > > Help: > > - Docs > > - FAQ > > - Mailing lists > > - Suggestions > > - Wiki > > > > Too many links? Depends on the theme I guess... > > > > Actually, I'm not convinced we want to keep the documentation pages: > > - Install only applies to the java installer, needs some typo fixes and a > > new final screenshot, and some guidance on the post-install wizard. > > - Connect: needs updating but is basically acceptable. > > - Content: dunno, isn't this more About? but i'm not sure we want to move > > it there... > > - Understand: maybe keep > > - Freemail: probably keep, is sort of official > > - Frost: dunno, we don't ship it, and we don't review it, but at the moment > > we recommend it ... > > - jSite: keep > > - Thaw: see Frost > > - FAQ: should be at a higher level > > - Wiki: should be at a higher level > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Devl mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl > > > > IMHO the wiki should be made more prominent, with a top level link. > > Is there any reason the following shouldn't be wiki pages? > Current docs > FAQ > What is Freenet? > Papers > Philosophy > People
They'd have to be locked, or they'd get vandalised during a release. And vandalism here could be very nasty. Also, there might be performance issues, although if we have a third party hosting our wiki it might not be a problem. OTOH, docs and FAQ would definitely make sense as wiki pages ... they would still need menu items on the main site... If we use mediawiki, can we get notifications by email when a page is changed? On wikipedia i think you have to login to see such notices? > > I'm happy to volunteer to work on the wiki, but only if it is going to > be made prominent enough that new users are likely to see it. Buried > under a submenu as it presently is, I feel that effort spent improving > it would be wasted because no one who needs the info would ever see > it. A long time ago the whole web site was a wiki. We abandoned it because the devs never contributed to it. On the other hand, that was a long time ago, and I think they are probably more likely to contribute now. Also, _some_ users won't know what a wiki is (reading wikipedia occasionally doesn't mean you know what a wiki is!). So I dunno if having a top level item for the wiki is a good thing. OTOH most documentation could be wikified.
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