On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Matthew Toseland<[email protected]> wrote: > On Saturday 13 June 2009 20:01:18 Evan Daniel wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Matthew >> Toseland<[email protected]> wrote: >> > Probably worth moving forward on this? Submenus are important, we have a >> > lot of content and it's not well organised. And arguably the theme is >> > better, and arguably even if it isn't better it's a change, and is no >> > worse... >> > >> > On Monday 01 June 2009 01:24:24 Clément wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> >> >> about three weeks ago I had a HCI webproject to do. >> >> The subject was : improve an existant website (well, I'm not 100% sure >> >> that it >> >> was the subject, but that what we've done) >> >> >> >> I convinced the three other people who worked with me to work on the >> >> freenet >> >> website. It was a small project though (3 hours with a teacher in the >> >> room, + >> >> 3 hours max of personal time), so we didn't go far. >> >> >> >> But maybe some of what we've done could be usefull for the project. >> >> >> >> Here is the copy/paste of what we've done : >> > >> > I like the submenus. I think that is fairly universal. New layout is fine. >> > I am not convinced about the way the site has been split up however. More >> > comment below... >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Objective of the new website: >> >> - To improve the existing navigation controls of freenetproject.org >> >> - To improve it's structural presentation of information on home page >> >> >> >> >> >> Aim of the web-site: >> >> - to present the software product and provide support >> >> - documentation and tools to users and developers to allow them to use and >> >> contribute to the software. >> >> >> >> Problems: >> >> The problems of current website http://freenetproject.org : >> >> - irrelevant information for homepage: mainly financial status, we don't >> >> know >> >> what freenet is >> >> - too many items in left navigation menu and not really well structured >> >> - documentation section where subsections do not have direct hyperlinks - >> >> its >> >> confusing >> >> >> >> Solutions we proposed: >> >> - simpler horizontal navigation bar with restructured tree >> >> - new menu tree proposition: >> >> >> >> Home -- what is freenet a bit modified page >> > >> > This page looks good IMHO. >> >> >> >> About freenet: >> >> what is freenet >> >> philosophy >> >> contributors >> >> >> >> Downloads: >> >> freenet >> >> tools >> > >> > Tools are unofficial and unsupported. Maybe download should be under home? >> >> >> >> Contribute: >> >> papers -- research and stuff >> >> developer >> > >> > I'm not convinced papers belong under Contribute. >> >> >> >> Donations >> >> donate >> >> sponsors >> > >> > Ok. But shouldn't both be under Contribute? >> >> >> >> Support & feedback >> >> help --documentation and stuff >> >> faq --move out from help section >> >> mailing lists >> >> suggestions >> > >> > What about the wiki? Shouldn't it be on the same level as the uservoice >> > tracker? >> > >> > How about: >> > >> > Home >> > - Home >> > - What is Freenet? >> > - Download Freenet >> > >> > About: >> > - Philosophy >> > - Papers >> > - People >> > >> > Contribute: >> > - Developer page >> > - Donate >> > - Sponsors >> > >> > Help: >> > - Docs >> > - FAQ >> > - Mailing lists >> > - Suggestions >> > - Wiki >> > >> > Too many links? Depends on the theme I guess... >> > >> > Actually, I'm not convinced we want to keep the documentation pages: >> > - Install only applies to the java installer, needs some typo fixes and a >> > new final screenshot, and some guidance on the post-install wizard. >> > - Connect: needs updating but is basically acceptable. >> > - Content: dunno, isn't this more About? but i'm not sure we want to move >> > it there... >> > - Understand: maybe keep >> > - Freemail: probably keep, is sort of official >> > - Frost: dunno, we don't ship it, and we don't review it, but at the >> > moment we recommend it ... >> > - jSite: keep >> > - Thaw: see Frost >> > - FAQ: should be at a higher level >> > - Wiki: should be at a higher level >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Devl mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl >> > >> >> IMHO the wiki should be made more prominent, with a top level link. >> >> Is there any reason the following shouldn't be wiki pages? >> Current docs >> FAQ >> What is Freenet? >> Papers >> Philosophy >> People > > They'd have to be locked, or they'd get vandalised during a release. And > vandalism here could be very nasty. Also, there might be performance issues, > although if we have a third party hosting our wiki it might not be a problem.
Locked might be overkill. Allowing edits by non-new accounts would probably work. > > OTOH, docs and FAQ would definitely make sense as wiki pages ... they would > still need menu items on the main site... If we use mediawiki, can we get > notifications by email when a page is changed? On wikipedia i think you have > to login to see such notices? I don't know. I don't see such an option in WP, but I don't know much about the underlying software. >> >> I'm happy to volunteer to work on the wiki, but only if it is going to >> be made prominent enough that new users are likely to see it. Buried >> under a submenu as it presently is, I feel that effort spent improving >> it would be wasted because no one who needs the info would ever see >> it. > > A long time ago the whole web site was a wiki. We abandoned it because the > devs never contributed to it. On the other hand, that was a long time ago, > and I think they are probably more likely to contribute now. > > Also, _some_ users won't know what a wiki is (reading wikipedia occasionally > doesn't mean you know what a wiki is!). So I dunno if having a top level item > for the wiki is a good thing. OTOH most documentation could be wikified. > Most users do, I think. Our audience is fairly technically aware. Avoiding it because of a minority of users won't know what it is doesn't make sense to me. Evan Daniel _______________________________________________ Devl mailing list [email protected] http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl
