On Tuesday 16 June 2009 01:14:24 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Monday 01 June 2009 01:24:24 Clément wrote:
> >  [...]
> 
> I have done the first phase of deploying this, after discussions with Ian.
> We use the new background and the new logo, but we waste a lot of space on
> the top "line" with the banner, and we don't use the horizontal menu yet as
> we need to implement the sub-menus. Also I have rewritten the What is
> Freenet? page with some input from Ian.

Just a remark : there is no "home" link in the menu. The logo is a link, but I 
don't think it's sufficient.

Also, I paste here a message I sent to the ml satursday iirc, but it never 
showed up. Hopefully this one will hit the target :

> How about:
>
> Home
> - Home
> - What is Freenet?
> - Download Freenet
>
Download Freenet should definitely be a top link, it gives it more visibility. 
The all point of the site is to make the user download freenet, so we should 
make it clear, on all pages, where to download it
Home should link to the homepage and be a simple menu : that's how it is on 
all sites afaik, and consistency with  "standards" is very important.
We could move the What is Freenet? link under the About menu, since meanings 
are close, so the user will instinctively search under the about menu, and we 
already said to the user what freenet was. The What is Freenet? section is 
here if he wants more details. Also, there already is a second level link on 
the homepage pointing to the what is freenet page (Learn more).
So it would be :
Home
Download
About
-What is Freenet?
-...
> About:
> - Philosophy
> - Papers
> - People
>
Agreed. With the What is Freenet submenu added.
> Contribute:
> - Developer page
> - Donate
> - Sponsors
>
I think people see "contribute" as contribute to the project by involving some 
time in it. Well, that's how I hear it. Besides that, it doesn't give the 
donation links the visibility it may need.
So :
Donate
-Donate
-Sponsors
Contribute
> Help:
> - Docs
> - FAQ
> - Mailing lists
> - Suggestions
> - Wiki
>
> Too many links? Depends on the theme I guess...
>
In fact menus should have 5 +/-2 submenus, so it's fine. The CSS is still very 
basic, and maybe not well done for submenus, so maybe right now it wouldn't 
fit, but it's not really difficult to change that.

> Actually, I'm not convinced we want to keep the documentation pages:
> - Install only applies to the java installer, needs some typo fixes and a
> new final screenshot, and some guidance on the post-install wizard. -
> Connect: needs updating but is basically acceptable.
> - Content: dunno, isn't this more About? but i'm not sure we want to move
> it there... - Understand: maybe keep
> - Freemail: probably keep, is sort of official
> - Frost: dunno, we don't ship it, and we don't review it, but at the moment
> we recommend it ... - jSite: keep
> - Thaw: see Frost
> - FAQ: should be at a higher level
> - Wiki: should be at a higher level
If we get rid of the documentation pages, we could rename the wiki link in 
docs. We probably also want to change the homepage of the wiki, since right 
now it's a bit confusing (lot and lot of links).
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