> There is no javascript required. And what is wrong with frames? We need
> to allow the user to configure it to be transparent, but with the
> current situation we absolutely must not have the user's first
> experience of splitfiles with freenet be clicking on the link and half
> an hour later cancelling it because it still hasn't downloaded A SINGLE
> BYTE, with no other immediately obvious feedback.

There are other ways to offer feedback which are less obtrusive and more 
in-keeping with what the user is accustomed to.  See my previous email.

> > If Python can do it (Fishtools), then I am pretty sure Java can do it 
> > too.  IIRC the protocols used by Icecast are fairly simple.  The Java 
> > code wouldn't read from the soundcard directly, rather it would 
> > receive an incoming stream from some code which does (as does 
> > Fishtools).  This not-only gets around the problem of lack of microphone 
> > support in Java 1.1, but is also more flexible.

> Java has pipes?

Where exactly did I say or imply that Java has pipes?

> prove to me that java has support for
> pipes and I might take your argument seriously.

Wow - I see you have picked up one of Oskar's less appealing habits,
namely arrogance and unprovoked rudeness, and at such a young age too.
Being wrong is fine, but being arrogant while being wrong is pretty
silly behavior.

Anyway, perhaps you should prove to me that you are understanding a word
I say, and I might be inclined to take *YOUR* argument seriously.  Your
whole pipes rant doesn't bode well.

I was, of course, referring to TCP/IP sockets, not *nix pipes - this
would have been obvious if you had ever used anything like IceCast.

Ian.

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