On Friday 05 June 2009 23:49:42 Ian Clarke wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Arne Babenhauserheide<arne_bab at web.de> > wrote: > > On Thursday, 4. June 2009 20:02:13 Matthew Toseland wrote: > >> > I vote for ?lighthouse. ?I've used Mantis, Trac, and Fogbugz, and > >> > Lighthouse is better than all. ?It is simple, user friendly, doesn't > >> > impose any particular way of working, and it has a flexible API. > >> > >> How is it different to Mantis then? > >> > >> Anyone else have an opinion? > > > > Is it free? (I couldn't get that information from my first glance on the > > site) > > It is free as in beer for open source projects, so yes. > > > Proprietary solutions allow censorship *by design*, because some specific > > entity controls what the system does - no matter how benevolent that entity > > might be at the moment. > > Its only a bugtracker. If they were to suddenly go evil (which they > have no incentive to do) then it would be an annoyance, but not a > disaster - we'd just move elsewhere.
It would be a MAJOR annoyance, but yes it would probably be possible with, hopefully, a few hours to a few days work, to convert backed up bugs to another bug tracker. > > > I already had that feeling about uservoice, but there I though "oh well, > > it's > > not really integral for freenet". But the bugtracker is integral, and > > relying > > on a proprietary solution for an integral part of freenet is dangerous. > > Not if: > > 1) they have no incentive to hurt us, quite the opposite, we'd bring > positive attention to them > > 2) they only have our bugs, even in the worst case the worse thing > they could do is inconvenience us > > The reality is that we need to outsource this stuff, we've tried > hosting our own tools and it soaked up a large amount of time, left us > extremely dependent on Nextgens (who no-longer wants this role), and > cost quite a bit of $$$. All of these things are dangerous and bad > for the project in very measurable ways. > > Much better to let our tools be managed by people exclusively focused > on the task, especially when its free (as Lighthouse is). Well, there are other options. Sourceforge and others run free Trac instances, for example. And migrating our existing bugs to them will be no more difficult than migrating them to Lighthouse in all likelihood: It will be a major PITA in any case IMHO, but it's that or run it on shared hosting, probably having to keep it up to date ourselves, although with luck we might be able to migrate it to a managed mantis on e.g. godaddy. Why is Lighthouse better than Mantis or Trac, both of which we could get from sourceforge? Mantis has the clear advantage that we know it. If Lighthouse does exactly the same as Mantis and is slightly prettier, for example, there is little point in changing. On the other hand, if it is significantly easier for users to report bugs, that would be a good reason to consider it, provided that we can migrate our existing bugs (which I see no evidence of so far), and provided that it provides comparable features. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20090606/98ac4c1f/attachment.pgp>
