On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 16:56, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Mar 25, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 13:57, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Hi Caty, > >> > >> On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> *General Proposal: * > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2 > >> > >> We had already commented on the previous proposals and now this is a new > >> proposals which is quite different. Does it mean we need to restart the > >> discussions? > >> Can we have a *single* location where we can see all proposals so that > we > >> can make our mind. Right now I keep seeing new proposals coming from > >> different places and I'm not sure anymore what we are discussing about. > >> It might also be good to gather the points we agreed on on that page so > >> that we don't restart all over again every time. > >> > > > > This page contains links with all the discussion we had on XWiki.org. > Feel > > free to add what's missing. > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgv2 > > I have seen this page but it's a bit of a mess, there are lots of stuff > everywhere. > > So does it mean Silvia is removing her proposals? > > >> Some comments on this new proposal: > >> * I don't like too much having panels on both sides. I'd prefer panels > on a > >> single side. > >> > > * except from Main page, the left sided panels are used only for > navigation; > > I have a large screen so I'll be fine but I was wondering if the main > content area will be enough on 1024px screens with both left and right menus > (when we display images for ex). > > Doesn't it fit with one panel only? > > Anyway, 2 panels are ok for me if we think they're needed. > > >> * I don't like the horizontal tab UI > >> > > * this way we state that menu is the Primary one, being horizontal > > Horizontal menu is good (it's even me who proposed it initially! :)). It's > just that they don't look like tabs (as explained by the "don't make me > think" guy). > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2Documentation/OrgDocumentation.png What exactly is so NOT "don't make me think"? Reference: http://www.uvsc.edu/disted/decourses/mct/2740/IN/steinja/lessons/04/krug_chapter_06/krug_6_street_signs_breadcrumbs_02.html?m=1 > > >> * I don't understand the reason for the arrows on the left and right. It > >> looks as if I can click on them and the main content will scroll, is > that > >> it? > >> > > * The Projects are presented in an *carousel*: XWiki Enterprise, XWiki > > Office, Extensions + other Temporal Thematic Pages (major releases, > events, > > etc); > > ok cool, so it *does* scroll! Which is good since that's what I thought it > would do without realizing it was a caroussel :) > > >> * I don't like that the description of the project is in a panel on the > >> left. I'd really prefer it to be in the main content area, above XWiki > >> Enterprise. > >> > > * that's like the main purpose on XWiki.org, not especially for XE > > I understand now. I didn't know the main content was a carousel. > > > > >> * I'd like that the main page explains that the XWiki project is an > >> ecosystem of projects. > >> > > * this you can see from the big footer > > It's actually already in the general description where it says "... and > projects developed on top of it". > > > > >> * "see what users have to say..." look really strange where it's > located. > >> > > * it's aligned with the target > > WDYM by "target"? > > Why is it in green, located on the right of the header? Why do we need it > on the main page? Cannot it be located on the project page? > > >> * Footer looks good > >> * The 3 big buttons sounds slightly too flashy compared to the rest > >> > > * they are made to drawn attention - we can make them less flashy > > > >> * We don't see latest modified pages > >> > > * every space has custom panels. I don't think is necessary to see the > > latest modified pages on the HOME page. If you go to the Documentation > > space, you will see this information and also we can add other panels > there. > > hmm... Ok.... we still need a general dashboard to have a global vision of > what has been modified in the whole wiki but that could be on the Community > page I guess. > > >> * My biggest complaint: The home page doesn't look like a community site > at > >> all. This is important. Showing avatars + names would a way to achieve > this. > >> Actually I think I'd prefer that the home be 100% about the community > only > >> and have a link to direct to the XE page. The current home page could be > >> used as the main home page for the XE project page instead. > >> > > * We can make a page like this for the Community space. The ideea was > that > > the Home page present the project first and gives you an overview of the > > site content. > > Ok now I understand. I had not seen that you had split what currently > exists on dev.xwiki.org into 2: > - Community > - Developers > > I think it's ok after all. This is not exactly what I had in mind but it's > ok I guess. So we have a corporate-like web site, except for the Community > part. > > >> Conclusion: I'd really like to see a proposal where the home page is a > >> community site proposal showing contributors activities (avatar + names) > on: > >> - extensions (extensions.xwiki.org) > >> - modified pages in the wiki(s) > >> - mailing list messages > >> - code commits > >> > > * IMO I think this should be present on the Community WebHome and > > Development WebHome. > > Yes in Community WebHome then. Developers are part of the the Community but > you can have Community members not part of the development team. Said > differently: > > For me Community = any way to contribute to xwiki (including being a > committer) > Developers = practices for committers > > I'm still unsure if we should split Developers from Community but we'll see > later on. > > More Comments > ============= > > * Documentation should have submenus to see what product it is documenting. > I don't see that in your screenshot. Also, we need to decide how we do > platform documentation vs project documentation. Thus I'd like to see > Documentation home page. > * Same thing for Projects. I'd like to see the Project home page. I don't > understand the difference between Project and Document. For me, Projects tab > gives a list of all projects, explain what they do. When you go on a project > home page you get to see more details, stats, etc and a Documentation link > that goes to the same place as the Documentation horizontal nav. > * I don't like the "About XWiki" page. It's actually content for the > Community area. But we could rewrite it differently. > * "Get Involved" is that same as Community for me. We should remove one of > them. > * As stated in the bullet point above there's a pb with the Documentation > submenu in the footer since each product has its own documentation. How do > we want to handle that? > > Thanks > -Vincent > > >> > >> Thanks > >> -Vincent > >> > >>> *Main Page: * > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2Main > >>> > >>> The main page has a different layout from the rest of the pages; > >>> > >>> - The footer< > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgArchitecture > >>> is > >>> used to have a quick overview on the major topics the website covers; > >>> - just the Main Page has this footer; > >>> - contains just links to major topics for each category; > >>> - The Projects are presented in an carousel: XWiki Enterprise, XWiki > >>> Office, Extensions + other Temporal Thematic Pages (major releases, > >> events, > >>> etc); > >>> - Right panels contains Latest information; > >>> > >>> *Documentation Page Example*: > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2Documentation > >>> > >>> - Right Panels are changing according to the space; > >>> - Main Navigation + Left Oriented Secondary Navigation + Breadcrumb; > >>> - Comments enabled for documentation pages > >>> > >>> *Projects Page Example*: > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2Projects > >>> > >>> *About Page Example*: > >>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2About > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Caty > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
