Hi Caty, On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Ecaterina Valica <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 16:56, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 25, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 13:57, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Caty, > > >> > > >> On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>> *General Proposal: * > > >>> > > >> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2 > > >> > > >> We had already commented on the previous proposals and now this is a > new > > >> proposals which is quite different. Does it mean we need to restart > the > > >> discussions? > > >> Can we have a *single* location where we can see all proposals so that > > we > > >> can make our mind. Right now I keep seeing new proposals coming from > > >> different places and I'm not sure anymore what we are discussing > about. > > >> It might also be good to gather the points we agreed on on that page > so > > >> that we don't restart all over again every time. > > >> > > > > > > This page contains links with all the discussion we had on XWiki.org. > > Feel > > > free to add what's missing. > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgv2 > > > > I have seen this page but it's a bit of a mess, there are lots of stuff > > everywhere. > > > > So does it mean Silvia is removing her proposals? > > > > >> Some comments on this new proposal: > > >> * I don't like too much having panels on both sides. I'd prefer panels > > on a > > >> single side. > > >> > > > * except from Main page, the left sided panels are used only for > > navigation; > > > > I have a large screen so I'll be fine but I was wondering if the main > > content area will be enough on 1024px screens with both left and right > menus > > (when we display images for ex). > > > > Doesn't it fit with one panel only? > > > > Anyway, 2 panels are ok for me if we think they're needed. > > > > >> * I don't like the horizontal tab UI > > >> > > > * this way we state that menu is the Primary one, being horizontal > > > > Horizontal menu is good (it's even me who proposed it initially! :)). > It's > > just that they don't look like tabs (as explained by the "don't make me > > think" guy). > > > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2Documentation/OrgDocumentation.png > > What exactly is so NOT "don't make me think"? > > Reference: > > http://www.uvsc.edu/disted/decourses/mct/2740/IN/steinja/lessons/04/krug_chapter_06/krug_6_street_signs_breadcrumbs_02.html?m=1 > > I think that Vincent's issue is with the homepage -> on the homepage you don't clearly see those are tabs (because the main content of the page is not supposed to be in one of the top tabs). That's what makes it disturbing. On all the other pages it looks good. Guillaume > > > >> * I don't understand the reason for the arrows on the left and right. > It > > >> looks as if I can click on them and the main content will scroll, is > > that > > >> it? > > >> > > > * The Projects are presented in an *carousel*: XWiki Enterprise, XWiki > > > Office, Extensions + other Temporal Thematic Pages (major releases, > > events, > > > etc); > > > > ok cool, so it *does* scroll! Which is good since that's what I thought > it > > would do without realizing it was a caroussel :) > > > > >> * I don't like that the description of the project is in a panel on > the > > >> left. I'd really prefer it to be in the main content area, above XWiki > > >> Enterprise. > > >> > > > * that's like the main purpose on XWiki.org, not especially for XE > > > > I understand now. I didn't know the main content was a carousel. > > > > > > > >> * I'd like that the main page explains that the XWiki project is an > > >> ecosystem of projects. > > >> > > > * this you can see from the big footer > > > > It's actually already in the general description where it says "... and > > projects developed on top of it". > > > > > > > >> * "see what users have to say..." look really strange where it's > > located. > > >> > > > * it's aligned with the target > > > > WDYM by "target"? > > > > Why is it in green, located on the right of the header? Why do we need > it > > on the main page? Cannot it be located on the project page? > > > > >> * Footer looks good > > >> * The 3 big buttons sounds slightly too flashy compared to the rest > > >> > > > * they are made to drawn attention - we can make them less flashy > > > > > >> * We don't see latest modified pages > > >> > > > * every space has custom panels. I don't think is necessary to see the > > > latest modified pages on the HOME page. If you go to the Documentation > > > space, you will see this information and also we can add other panels > > there. > > > > hmm... Ok.... we still need a general dashboard to have a global vision > of > > what has been modified in the whole wiki but that could be on the > Community > > page I guess. > > > > >> * My biggest complaint: The home page doesn't look like a community > site > > at > > >> all. This is important. Showing avatars + names would a way to achieve > > this. > > >> Actually I think I'd prefer that the home be 100% about the community > > only > > >> and have a link to direct to the XE page. The current home page could > be > > >> used as the main home page for the XE project page instead. > > >> > > > * We can make a page like this for the Community space. The ideea was > > that > > > the Home page present the project first and gives you an overview of > the > > > site content. > > > > Ok now I understand. I had not seen that you had split what currently > > exists on dev.xwiki.org into 2: > > - Community > > - Developers > > > > I think it's ok after all. This is not exactly what I had in mind but > it's > > ok I guess. So we have a corporate-like web site, except for the > Community > > part. > > > > >> Conclusion: I'd really like to see a proposal where the home page is a > > >> community site proposal showing contributors activities (avatar + > names) > > on: > > >> - extensions (extensions.xwiki.org) > > >> - modified pages in the wiki(s) > > >> - mailing list messages > > >> - code commits > > >> > > > * IMO I think this should be present on the Community WebHome and > > > Development WebHome. > > > > Yes in Community WebHome then. Developers are part of the the Community > but > > you can have Community members not part of the development team. Said > > differently: > > > > For me Community = any way to contribute to xwiki (including being a > > committer) > > Developers = practices for committers > > > > I'm still unsure if we should split Developers from Community but we'll > see > > later on. > > > > More Comments > > ============= > > > > * Documentation should have submenus to see what product it is > documenting. > > I don't see that in your screenshot. Also, we need to decide how we do > > platform documentation vs project documentation. Thus I'd like to see > > Documentation home page. > > * Same thing for Projects. I'd like to see the Project home page. I don't > > understand the difference between Project and Document. For me, Projects > tab > > gives a list of all projects, explain what they do. When you go on a > project > > home page you get to see more details, stats, etc and a Documentation > link > > that goes to the same place as the Documentation horizontal nav. > > * I don't like the "About XWiki" page. It's actually content for the > > Community area. But we could rewrite it differently. > > * "Get Involved" is that same as Community for me. We should remove one > of > > them. > > * As stated in the bullet point above there's a pb with the Documentation > > submenu in the footer since each product has its own documentation. How > do > > we want to handle that? > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > >> > > >> Thanks > > >> -Vincent > > >> > > >>> *Main Page: * > > >>> > > >> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2Main > > >>> > > >>> The main page has a different layout from the rest of the pages; > > >>> > > >>> - The footer< > > >> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgArchitecture > > >>> is > > >>> used to have a quick overview on the major topics the website covers; > > >>> - just the Main Page has this footer; > > >>> - contains just links to major topics for each category; > > >>> - The Projects are presented in an carousel: XWiki Enterprise, XWiki > > >>> Office, Extensions + other Temporal Thematic Pages (major releases, > > >> events, > > >>> etc); > > >>> - Right panels contains Latest information; > > >>> > > >>> *Documentation Page Example*: > > >>> > > >> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2Documentation > > >>> > > >>> - Right Panels are changing according to the space; > > >>> - Main Navigation + Left Oriented Secondary Navigation + Breadcrumb; > > >>> - Comments enabled for documentation pages > > >>> > > >>> *Projects Page Example*: > > >>> > > >> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2Projects > > >>> > > >>> *About Page Example*: > > >>> > > >> > > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgProposal2About > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> Caty > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki SAS Skype: wikibc Twitter: glerouge http://guillaumelerouge.com/ _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
