On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi, > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Marius, > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi again, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" > > > Delhumeau < > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Eddy, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru < > [email protected] > > >: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Hi devs, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have a discussion started on this > > > > topic, > > > > > > but > > > > > > >> in > > > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I see people start being > > confused > > > > and > > > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start to be asked. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > The new location of the Add menu in Flamingo is problematic > > IMO > > > > for > > > > > a > > > > > > >> > various number of reasons: > > > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the impression that it adds page-related > > > > entries > > > > > > (i.e. > > > > > > >> > related to the current page), due to its current location > > (i.e. > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > >> page > > > > > > >> > content) > > > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new Entry" button > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true for a lot of livetables. > We > > > > would > > > > > > > need a generic "Create" button to be available when we > > instantiate > > > a > > > > > > > livetable. This could be useful for the wiki index page, for > the > > > user > > > > > > > directory, for all the AWM homepages... > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you like the files live table from the File Manager then > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/File+Manager+Application#HFileLiveTable > > > > > > . Would be interesting to have such a toolbar (with support for > > > custom > > > > > > buttons) before the live table don't you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already covered by the 'Actions' > > > column > > > > in the livetable. The only thing missing is the 'Create' > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see at least 3 reasons > why: > > > > > > > IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only difference is that the > Actions > > column was used as an intermediate solution because we didn't had bulk > > actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple entity selection > > (checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the entries on each row). > > > > Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the "Actions" column > should be replaced by a "Select" column with checkboxes in it, and also > that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should be expanded to be used in > a generic fashion by all livetables :-) > Not completely replaced because not all operations/actions can be performed in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that it is a single element action compared to 'delete'. A different situation exists for the 'rename' action since it is more of a single element action, but can be presented as a bulk action as well if you provide some kind of renaming template like '<prefix>_<number>'. In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and the actions column have their right place in the livetable IMO and having a checkbox column like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the right way to go. Thanks, Eduard > > Guillaume > > > > Thanks, > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > 1/ The "create" button would generate a new entry, whereas the > "actions" > > > column is for actions that are related to individual entries that > already > > > exist > > > 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the livetable creator > > > 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle bulk actions on pages > such > > as > > > "delete selected entries" (as in the file manager) > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes and yes :-) > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically the button would let the user create a new item of > the > > > same > > > > > > type > > > > > > > than the items displayed in the livetable. Right now we do this > > in > > > an > > > > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to have a generic > solution. > > > It's > > > > > > also > > > > > > > related to the automatic page name generation module (that we > > don't > > > > > have > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the core yet, though there's an extensions doing it > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Unique+Identification+Number+Module > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the page from a far, the new > > location > > > > > looks > > > > > > >> > completely randomly selected: > > > > > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top (as left-to-right language > > specific > > > > > brains > > > > > > >> are > > > > > > >> > trained to follow) > > > > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the top either > > > > > > >> > -- it's not at the right > > > > > > >> > -- it's not next to the type of elements it creates (i.e. > next > > > to > > > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE) > > > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in the middle of the screen > > > > > > >> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come right now to my mind) > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Personally, I like the fact that it is located near the Edit > > > button, > > > > > > even > > > > > > >> if it does not concern the current page. Because it groups the > > > most > > > > > > basic > > > > > > >> and useful actions that you need when you want to contribute: > > > EDIT, > > > > > ADD. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> To me, it makes sense. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > I`d like to open a discussion on this, since it's quite an > > > > important > > > > > > >> aspect > > > > > > >> > of the UI and, due to it's shiny green color (which I like > > :)), > > > > it`s > > > > > > hard > > > > > > >> > to miss. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Is it just me who's resistant to change, or do others see a > > > > problem > > > > > > here > > > > > > >> > with this as well? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > > > > >> > Eduard > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > ---------- > > > > > > >> > [1] http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/rqcxryksa2ckjhpm > > > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > >> > devs mailing list > > > > > > >> > [email protected] > > > > > > >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > >> Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > > > > > > >> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > > > > >> Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > >> devs mailing list > > > > > > >> [email protected] > > > > > > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > devs mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Guillaume Lerouge > > > guillaumelerouge.com <http://www.guillaumelerouge.com/> > > > 06 10 79 76 70 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > -- > Venez nous rencontrer lors du *petit-déjeuner XWiki le mardi 7 octobre 2014 > !* <http://info.xwiki.com/petit-dejeuner-XWiki-octobre-2014.html> > -- > <http://www.xwiki.com/>*Guillaume Lerouge* > *Director of Sales & Marketing* > Mail: [email protected] > Mobile: > *+33 6 10 79 76 70*Tel: *+33 1 45 42 40 90* > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
