On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> Hi, > > after discussing with Vincent this morning we came to a suggestion that > would fix my issue with the current location of the add button. The idea > would be to move the search bar to the left of the menu, and put the "Add" > button in its place. > > Crude image explanation here: > https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png > > This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, not in a menu that is > contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In addition to this, > since "Create wiki" is visible only to authorized users, it's not too much > in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of having the "Edit" and "More > actions" buttons separated from one another. > > WDYT? Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked the move of the Create button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense to me). FYI here’s what they have for: - confluence: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/948c4f24-2485-4b33-8452-1e6e1a2d6c74/cff5f5253f8324d9dc760cb9380c61d9 - jira: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/b8803c9b-4ea7-43dd-a2ed-1226080074f2/1f60d551a55a709cfc4aaca73dce9004 Thanks -Vincent > Guillaume > ᐧ > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marius, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi again, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" > > > > > Delhumeau < > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Eddy, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru < > > > [email protected] > > > > >: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Hi devs, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have a discussion started on > > this > > > > > > topic, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > >> in > > > > > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I see people start being > > > > confused > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start to be asked. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > The new location of the Add menu in Flamingo is > > problematic > > > > IMO > > > > > > for > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > >> > various number of reasons: > > > > > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the impression that it adds > > page-related > > > > > > entries > > > > > > > > (i.e. > > > > > > > > >> > related to the current page), due to its current location > > > > (i.e. > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> page > > > > > > > > >> > content) > > > > > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new Entry" button > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true for a lot of > > livetables. > > > We > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > need a generic "Create" button to be available when we > > > > instantiate > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > livetable. This could be useful for the wiki index page, for > > > the > > > > > user > > > > > > > > > directory, for all the AWM homepages... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you like the files live table from the File Manager > > then > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/File+Manager+Application#HFileLiveTable > > > > > > > > . Would be interesting to have such a toolbar (with support for > > > > > custom > > > > > > > > buttons) before the live table don't you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already covered by the > > 'Actions' > > > > > column > > > > > > in the livetable. The only thing missing is the 'Create' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see at least 3 reasons > > > why: > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only difference is that the > > > Actions > > > > column was used as an intermediate solution because we didn't had bulk > > > > actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple entity selection > > > > (checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the entries on each row). > > > > > > > > > > Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the "Actions" column > > > should be replaced by a "Select" column with checkboxes in it, and also > > > that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should be expanded to be used > > in > > > a generic fashion by all livetables :-) > > > > > > > Not completely replaced because not all operations/actions can be performed > > in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that it is a single > > element action compared to 'delete'. > > > > A different situation exists for the 'rename' action since it is more of a > > single element action, but can be presented as a bulk action as well if you > > provide some kind of renaming template like '_'. > > > > In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and the actions column > > have their right place in the livetable IMO and having a checkbox column > > like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the right way to go. > > > > Thanks, > > Eduard > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1/ The "create" button would generate a new entry, whereas the > > > "actions" > > > > > column is for actions that are related to individual entries that > > > already > > > > > exist > > > > > 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the livetable creator > > > > > 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle bulk actions on pages > > > such > > > > as > > > > > "delete selected entries" (as in the file manager) > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes and yes :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically the button would let the user create a new item of > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > type > > > > > > > > > than the items displayed in the livetable. Right now we do > > this > > > > in > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to have a generic > > > solution. > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > related to the automatic page name generation module (that we > > > > don't > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the core yet, though there's an extensions doing it > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Unique+Identification+Number+Module > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the page from a far, the new > > > > location > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > >> > completely randomly selected: > > > > > > > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top (as left-to-right language > > > > specific > > > > > > > brains > > > > > > > > >> are > > > > > > > > >> > trained to follow) > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the top either > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not at the right > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not next to the type of elements it creates (i.e. > > > next > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE) > > > > > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in the middle of the screen > > > > > > > > >> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come right now to my mind) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Personally, I like the fact that it is located near the Edit > > > > > button, > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > >> if it does not concern the current page. Because it groups > > the > > > > > most > > > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > >> and useful actions that you need when you want to > > contribute: > > > > > EDIT, > > > > > > > ADD. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> To me, it makes sense. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > I`d like to open a discussion on this, since it's quite an > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > >> aspect > > > > > > > > >> > of the UI and, due to it's shiny green color (which I like > > > > :)), > > > > > > it`s > > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > > >> > to miss. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Is it just me who's resistant to change, or do others see > > a > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > >> > with this as well? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > > > > > > >> > Eduard _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
