Hi, On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < [email protected]> wrote:
> Ideally we should make the templates independent and have a dedicated > section in e.x.o. > Users could browse and install them separate. > > We should also monitor what templates are interesting and which are not > (although this is a bit hard to do right now). > > Of course I also consider we could have better templates or diverse, but > this is not the point now. > The point is to add some templates and better show this feature. Since we > are very generic it's hard to tell what templates each category of users > would need. That's why it would be better for them to select them, but they > should be aware that they have this possibility. > > So currently the vote is favorable. I'm waiting until tomorrow so see if we > have any blockers. > > Still not sure about how we should implement them best: in platform or in > e.x.o? As a package or separate? > My preference goes towards a templates package, for start, in contrib, that is included in the default flavor. Thanks, Eduard > > Thanks, > Caty > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > +1, generally. > > > > I also feel a bit frustrated by the seeming redundancy of having both > > Article and Encyclopedia on one side and Meeting Report and Simple page > > onthe other, since from a helicopter view they are 95% identical. > However, > > I believe that the whole point of templates is to have a very specialized > > usecase that is answered and that the user can immediately use. If every > > time someone wants a simple page, but selects meeting notes and removes a > > lot of formatting, then they will just end up creating a simple page > > template. > > > > These are just a couple of usages that we consider to be very common and > > which we decide to offer some help by default (in the default flavor). > > Others could be added (even from Caty`s extended list), since we`re > missing > > tables, macros and many other useful XWiki features that are otherwise > hard > > to discover. > > > > Thanks, > > Eduard > > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Alexandru Cotiuga < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > + 1 for all > > > The difference between Article and Encyclopedia could be increased by > > > adding other specific elements on each one's layout. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Alex > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > In case we don't like a particular Template, then the best strategy > is > > to > > > > have individual votes for them. > > > > > > > > @Anca, from your feedback is hard to know if you prefer Article over > > > > Encyclopedia. > > > > > > > > Since we need to release 8.2 final at the end of the week I would > like > > to > > > > advance with this topic: either by committing all the proposed > > templates > > > or > > > > just a subset, but I need more opinions. > > > > > > > > Status: > > > > 1. Article (Article page): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty > > > > 2. Encyclopedia (Encyclopedia page): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty > > > > 3. Meeting Report (Agenda and notes): 1+ Vincent, +1 Caty, +1 Anca > > > > 4. Simple Page (With table of content): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty, +1 Anca > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Anca Luca <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Anca Luca <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Caty, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By default there are not many page templates an user could > see. > > > > > > > > In order for users to understand the power and purpose of > > XWiki, > > > it > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > be helpful to add more content templates by default. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Content Templates are templates that don't belong to a > > particular > > > > > > > > application, but provides an initial content structure. The > > > > templates > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be suggested in the creation step. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are some templates we could add by default: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault#HProposal > > > > > > > > 1. Article > > > > > > > > 2. Encyclopedia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think these two are the same one, they should be collapsed > into > > > > only > > > > > > one > > > > > > > template. I don't really understand the differences between > these > > > > two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The differences are in layout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion this is not enough to have both of them. For me, the > > goal > > > > of > > > > > the templates by default is to help discover the template feature > and > > > its > > > > > benefits to users, and the way to do that would be to show > > interesting > > > > > usecases of the template feature. Having two templates for the same > > > > usecase > > > > > but with different layout is not aligned with this goal, but would > be > > > > more > > > > > aligned with the goal of showing that we can do different fancy > > > layouts. > > > > In > > > > > addition, this logic would allow to have multiple templates for the > > > other > > > > > usecases as well, with different layout, which would not be a good > > idea > > > > > (e.g. another meeting report, with a different layout) because > would > > > > bloat > > > > > the list... > > > > > > > > > > Anyone else? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Anca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Meeting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should be called Meeting Report (or meeting notes), so that the > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > with the meeting extension is more obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will use "Meeting Report" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Simple Page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should have the word Table of Contents in the name, so that its > > > > purpose > > > > > > is > > > > > > > obvious from the start (otherwise "simple page" and the default > > > > "blank > > > > > > > page" are not very easy to differentiate ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The difference is viewed in the Description, see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/TemplatesDefault/WebHome/descriptions.png > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another template could be added, "Index page", with a simple > > > > livetable > > > > > > > listing all the children (and descendants) pages of the current > > > page. > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > handy when creating the root page of a subtree on the wiki > (would > > > > have > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same purpose as "Dashboard", to be a scripted homepage from > where > > > the > > > > > > > subtree of that page can be accessed). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Anca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can test them on > > > > > > > > > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault/ > > > > > (use > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Create button) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please vote if you agree these templates should be added by > > > default > > > > > or > > > > > > > > otherwise let me know your feedback. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > devs mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
