Thanks for your votes. I've added them in http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XE-1564
Thanks, Caty On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote: > +1 for integrating templates. > > "Article" is like a blog post man while "Encyclopedia" integrates a table > on the right to describe an object or something. Their objective are > different. But if we decide to keep only one of them, I would be OK > (Encyclopedia being my favorite). > > 2016-07-12 13:55 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>: > > > > > > On 12 Jul 2016, at 13:48, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Ideally we should make the templates independent and have a dedicated > > >> section in e.x.o. > > >> Users could browse and install them separate. > > >> > > >> We should also monitor what templates are interesting and which are > not > > >> (although this is a bit hard to do right now). > > >> > > >> Of course I also consider we could have better templates or diverse, > but > > >> this is not the point now. > > >> The point is to add some templates and better show this feature. Since > > we > > >> are very generic it's hard to tell what templates each category of > users > > >> would need. That's why it would be better for them to select them, but > > they > > >> should be aware that they have this possibility. > > >> > > >> So currently the vote is favorable. I'm waiting until tomorrow so see > > if we > > >> have any blockers. > > >> > > >> Still not sure about how we should implement them best: in platform or > > in > > >> e.x.o? As a package or separate? > > >> > > > > > > My preference goes towards a templates package, for start, in contrib, > > that > > > is included in the default flavor. > > > > I think I agree. We need to close the last discussion thread about the > > scope for the xwiki github org and about platform. Right now the > consensus > > seems to be: > > * the default platform distribution’s goal is to provide a basic working > > wiki > > * XE’s goal (and in the future another named flavor) is to provide a > > full-fledged second generation wiki. > > * Non core features go in contrib and generic ones are included in the XE > > flavor > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > > Thanks, > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Caty > > >> > > >> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected] > > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>> +1, generally. > > >>> > > >>> I also feel a bit frustrated by the seeming redundancy of having both > > >>> Article and Encyclopedia on one side and Meeting Report and Simple > page > > >>> onthe other, since from a helicopter view they are 95% identical. > > >> However, > > >>> I believe that the whole point of templates is to have a very > > specialized > > >>> usecase that is answered and that the user can immediately use. If > > every > > >>> time someone wants a simple page, but selects meeting notes and > > removes a > > >>> lot of formatting, then they will just end up creating a simple page > > >>> template. > > >>> > > >>> These are just a couple of usages that we consider to be very common > > and > > >>> which we decide to offer some help by default (in the default > flavor). > > >>> Others could be added (even from Caty`s extended list), since we`re > > >> missing > > >>> tables, macros and many other useful XWiki features that are > otherwise > > >> hard > > >>> to discover. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> Eduard > > >>> > > >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Alexandru Cotiuga < > > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Hello, > > >>>> > > >>>> + 1 for all > > >>>> The difference between Article and Encyclopedia could be increased > by > > >>>> adding other specific elements on each one's layout. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks, > > >>>> Alex > > >>>> > > >>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> In case we don't like a particular Template, then the best strategy > > >> is > > >>> to > > >>>>> have individual votes for them. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> @Anca, from your feedback is hard to know if you prefer Article > over > > >>>>> Encyclopedia. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Since we need to release 8.2 final at the end of the week I would > > >> like > > >>> to > > >>>>> advance with this topic: either by committing all the proposed > > >>> templates > > >>>> or > > >>>>> just a subset, but I need more opinions. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Status: > > >>>>> 1. Article (Article page): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty > > >>>>> 2. Encyclopedia (Encyclopedia page): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty > > >>>>> 3. Meeting Report (Agenda and notes): 1+ Vincent, +1 Caty, +1 Anca > > >>>>> 4. Simple Page (With table of content): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty, +1 > Anca > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>> Caty > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Anca Luca <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Anca Luca <[email protected]> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Hello Caty, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > >>>>>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> By default there are not many page templates an user could > > >> see. > > >>>>>>>>> In order for users to understand the power and purpose of > > >>> XWiki, > > >>>> it > > >>>>>>> would > > >>>>>>>>> be helpful to add more content templates by default. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Content Templates are templates that don't belong to a > > >>> particular > > >>>>>>>>> application, but provides an initial content structure. The > > >>>>> templates > > >>>>>>>> will > > >>>>>>>>> be suggested in the creation step. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Here are some templates we could add by default: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault#HProposal > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Article > > >>>>>>>>> 2. Encyclopedia > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I think these two are the same one, they should be collapsed > > >> into > > >>>>> only > > >>>>>>> one > > >>>>>>>> template. I don't really understand the differences between > > >> these > > >>>>> two. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> The differences are in layout. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> In my opinion this is not enough to have both of them. For me, the > > >>> goal > > >>>>> of > > >>>>>> the templates by default is to help discover the template feature > > >> and > > >>>> its > > >>>>>> benefits to users, and the way to do that would be to show > > >>> interesting > > >>>>>> usecases of the template feature. Having two templates for the > same > > >>>>> usecase > > >>>>>> but with different layout is not aligned with this goal, but would > > >> be > > >>>>> more > > >>>>>> aligned with the goal of showing that we can do different fancy > > >>>> layouts. > > >>>>> In > > >>>>>> addition, this logic would allow to have multiple templates for > the > > >>>> other > > >>>>>> usecases as well, with different layout, which would not be a good > > >>> idea > > >>>>>> (e.g. another meeting report, with a different layout) because > > >> would > > >>>>> bloat > > >>>>>> the list... > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Anyone else? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>> Anca > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> 3. Meeting > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Should be called Meeting Report (or meeting notes), so that the > > >>>>>>> difference > > >>>>>>>> with the meeting extension is more obvious. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I will use "Meeting Report" > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> 4. Simple Page > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Should have the word Table of Contents in the name, so that its > > >>>>> purpose > > >>>>>>> is > > >>>>>>>> obvious from the start (otherwise "simple page" and the default > > >>>>> "blank > > >>>>>>>> page" are not very easy to differentiate ). > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> The difference is viewed in the Description, see > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/TemplatesDefault/WebHome/descriptions.png > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>> Caty > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Another template could be added, "Index page", with a simple > > >>>>> livetable > > >>>>>>>> listing all the children (and descendants) pages of the current > > >>>> page. > > >>>>>>> It's > > >>>>>>>> handy when creating the root page of a subtree on the wiki > > >> (would > > >>>>> have > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>> same purpose as "Dashboard", to be a scripted homepage from > > >> where > > >>>> the > > >>>>>>>> subtree of that page can be accessed). > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>>> Anca > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> You can test them on > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault/ > > >>>>>> (use > > >>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>> Create button) > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Please vote if you agree these templates should be added by > > >>>> default > > >>>>>> or > > >>>>>>>>> otherwise let me know your feedback. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>>>> Caty > > >>>>>>>>> _________ > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > -- > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > Committer on the XWiki.org project > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
