> On 12 Jul 2016, at 13:48, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Ideally we should make the templates independent and have a dedicated >> section in e.x.o. >> Users could browse and install them separate. >> >> We should also monitor what templates are interesting and which are not >> (although this is a bit hard to do right now). >> >> Of course I also consider we could have better templates or diverse, but >> this is not the point now. >> The point is to add some templates and better show this feature. Since we >> are very generic it's hard to tell what templates each category of users >> would need. That's why it would be better for them to select them, but they >> should be aware that they have this possibility. >> >> So currently the vote is favorable. I'm waiting until tomorrow so see if we >> have any blockers. >> >> Still not sure about how we should implement them best: in platform or in >> e.x.o? As a package or separate? >> > > My preference goes towards a templates package, for start, in contrib, that > is included in the default flavor.
I think I agree. We need to close the last discussion thread about the scope for the xwiki github org and about platform. Right now the consensus seems to be: * the default platform distribution’s goal is to provide a basic working wiki * XE’s goal (and in the future another named flavor) is to provide a full-fledged second generation wiki. * Non core features go in contrib and generic ones are included in the XE flavor Thanks -Vincent > Thanks, > Eduard > > >> >> Thanks, >> Caty >> >> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> +1, generally. >>> >>> I also feel a bit frustrated by the seeming redundancy of having both >>> Article and Encyclopedia on one side and Meeting Report and Simple page >>> onthe other, since from a helicopter view they are 95% identical. >> However, >>> I believe that the whole point of templates is to have a very specialized >>> usecase that is answered and that the user can immediately use. If every >>> time someone wants a simple page, but selects meeting notes and removes a >>> lot of formatting, then they will just end up creating a simple page >>> template. >>> >>> These are just a couple of usages that we consider to be very common and >>> which we decide to offer some help by default (in the default flavor). >>> Others could be added (even from Caty`s extended list), since we`re >> missing >>> tables, macros and many other useful XWiki features that are otherwise >> hard >>> to discover. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Eduard >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Alexandru Cotiuga < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> + 1 for all >>>> The difference between Article and Encyclopedia could be increased by >>>> adding other specific elements on each one's layout. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In case we don't like a particular Template, then the best strategy >> is >>> to >>>>> have individual votes for them. >>>>> >>>>> @Anca, from your feedback is hard to know if you prefer Article over >>>>> Encyclopedia. >>>>> >>>>> Since we need to release 8.2 final at the end of the week I would >> like >>> to >>>>> advance with this topic: either by committing all the proposed >>> templates >>>> or >>>>> just a subset, but I need more opinions. >>>>> >>>>> Status: >>>>> 1. Article (Article page): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty >>>>> 2. Encyclopedia (Encyclopedia page): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty >>>>> 3. Meeting Report (Agenda and notes): 1+ Vincent, +1 Caty, +1 Anca >>>>> 4. Simple Page (With table of content): +1 Vincent, +1 Caty, +1 Anca >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Caty >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Anca Luca <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Anca Luca <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Caty, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> By default there are not many page templates an user could >> see. >>>>>>>>> In order for users to understand the power and purpose of >>> XWiki, >>>> it >>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> be helpful to add more content templates by default. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Content Templates are templates that don't belong to a >>> particular >>>>>>>>> application, but provides an initial content structure. The >>>>> templates >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> be suggested in the creation step. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here are some templates we could add by default: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault#HProposal >>>>>>>>> 1. Article >>>>>>>>> 2. Encyclopedia >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think these two are the same one, they should be collapsed >> into >>>>> only >>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> template. I don't really understand the differences between >> these >>>>> two. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The differences are in layout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In my opinion this is not enough to have both of them. For me, the >>> goal >>>>> of >>>>>> the templates by default is to help discover the template feature >> and >>>> its >>>>>> benefits to users, and the way to do that would be to show >>> interesting >>>>>> usecases of the template feature. Having two templates for the same >>>>> usecase >>>>>> but with different layout is not aligned with this goal, but would >> be >>>>> more >>>>>> aligned with the goal of showing that we can do different fancy >>>> layouts. >>>>> In >>>>>> addition, this logic would allow to have multiple templates for the >>>> other >>>>>> usecases as well, with different layout, which would not be a good >>> idea >>>>>> (e.g. another meeting report, with a different layout) because >> would >>>>> bloat >>>>>> the list... >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone else? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Anca >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3. Meeting >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Should be called Meeting Report (or meeting notes), so that the >>>>>>> difference >>>>>>>> with the meeting extension is more obvious. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will use "Meeting Report" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4. Simple Page >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Should have the word Table of Contents in the name, so that its >>>>> purpose >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> obvious from the start (otherwise "simple page" and the default >>>>> "blank >>>>>>>> page" are not very easy to differentiate ). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> The difference is viewed in the Description, see >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/TemplatesDefault/WebHome/descriptions.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Another template could be added, "Index page", with a simple >>>>> livetable >>>>>>>> listing all the children (and descendants) pages of the current >>>> page. >>>>>>> It's >>>>>>>> handy when creating the root page of a subtree on the wiki >> (would >>>>> have >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> same purpose as "Dashboard", to be a scripted homepage from >> where >>>> the >>>>>>>> subtree of that page can be accessed). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Anca >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can test them on >>>>>>>>> >>>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/TemplatesDefault/ >>>>>> (use >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Create button) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please vote if you agree these templates should be added by >>>> default >>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> otherwise let me know your feedback. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Caty >>>>>>>>> _________ _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
